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View Poll Results: Who do you want Spider to fight next?
Bones 32 39.02%
GSP 14 17.07%
Weidman 31 37.80%
Rockhold 2 2.44%
Vitor 3 3.66%
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Chris Weidman has had 9 MMA fights. It's not exactly a bragging point, saying he's never been subbed.

Nope. Im sorry bro, but you are making no sense. If we go by past fights, Silva is by far more accomplished against top level grapplers in MMA.

I'm not saying Weidman isnt the real deal. Its certainly the fight I would like to see from the list. But we need to be senisible. Hes had 9 fights and looked impressive. But that's it. He's not stepped up to top level competition. Something Silva has been doing for 6 years.
He has 1 guy on his resume already that was a challenger to Anderson and he beat him on short notice. Also Munoz is higher level the Cote and Leties if we are being realistic and he was dominated by Weidman. You realize Munoz didn't land even 1 strike during that fight? Total domination of a top level guy. Munoz was next in line for Spider at that point so I disagree that Weidman hasn't fought top level guys yet. 9 fights in and he already has more top level wins then a guy like Bisping.
I'm not seeing anywhere that suggest Silva's MMA BJJ is at a higher level then Weidman's.
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Weidman. Probably for the same reasons everyone else picked him. Seems like an interesting match-up.

The GSP and Bones fights have never appealed to me. I think it would be a counterproductive move for the UFC.
The heavier guy will win in either instance and I think most people already know that.
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I'm not seeing anywhere that suggest Silva's MMA BJJ is at a higher level then Weidman's.
Ok, lets flip it round... what makes you think Weidmans MMA BJJ is at a higher level?
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He has 1 guy on his resume already that was a challenger to Anderson and he beat him on short notice. Also Munoz is higher level the Cote and Leties if we are being realistic and he was dominated by Weidman. You realize Munoz didn't land even 1 strike during that fight? Total domination of a top level guy. Munoz was next in line for Spider at that point so I disagree that Weidman hasn't fought top level guys yet. 9 fights in and he already has more top level wins then a guy like Bisping.
I'm not seeing anywhere that suggest Silva's MMA BJJ is at a higher level then Weidman's.
MMA math dude. You know the score.

To compare the 2 fighters BJJ skills in MMA is a bit of a mindf*ck. One fighter is a blackbelt and has been training in MMA and BJJ for 16 years. The other is a purple belt and has been training in MMA/BJJ for 5 years. If Weidman had been training and fighting in MMA as long as Silva then their skills would be more comparable. As it stands, we can only go with what each fighter had done throughout their careers. Silva has accomplished more due to his vast experience. Silva has more experience so logically is seen to be better at MMA BJJ then Weidman. The GOAT has been training for 16 years. Weidman, 5 years.

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He has 1 guy on his resume already that was a challenger to Anderson and he beat him on short notice. Also Munoz is higher level the Cote and Leties if we are being realistic and he was dominated by Weidman. You realize Munoz didn't land even 1 strike during that fight? Total domination of a top level guy. Munoz was next in line for Spider at that point so I disagree that Weidman hasn't fought top level guys yet. 9 fights in and he already has more top level wins then a guy like Bisping.
I'm not seeing anywhere that suggest Silva's MMA BJJ is at a higher level then Weidman's.
Maia & Munoz vs. Stann, Mayhem, Akiyama, Leben, Hamill (both have other wins over guys like Sakara, Rivera, etc but we don't need to get into them all). Bisping has better wins but granted has fought more. So Bisping has better wins and is a MUCH bigger name than Weidman. Yet Bisping just had to fight Belfort to be #1 contender while you are stretching a lot to claim why Weidman should fight Silva now.

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Ok, lets flip it round... what makes you think Weidmans MMA BJJ is at a higher level?
Watching the fights. Weidman is a grappler first, striker second. Anderson is a striker first and only a defensive grappler. Weidman uses grappling as primary focus of his offensive game. Anderson does not. Weidman has been on the ground willingly with high level grapplers. Anderson avoids it at all cost. It's a big focus of his game because it's the strongest part of his game. Weidman being the high level wrestler he is will be in top position often. Anderson is better off his back then Weidman is off his back. But I'll take Weidman's offensive top game over Anderson's game off his back. Like I said before if you look at Weidman's fights and his past achievements in grappling he has the tools needed to put Anderson Silva on his back. From there I like his chances of getting the submission more then I like Anderson's off his back.
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Maia & Munoz vs. Stann, Mayhem, Akiyama, Leben, Hamill (both have other wins over guys like Sakara, Rivera, etc but we don't need to get into them all). Bisping has better wins but granted has fought more. So Bisping has better wins and is a MUCH bigger name than Weidman. Yet Bisping just had to fight Belfort to be #1 contender while you are stretching a lot to claim why Weidman should fight Silva now.
Bisping has 1 top 10 win. Weidman has 2.
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It wasn't MMAth at all. He said Weidman hasn't fought top level guys yet. I pointed out he already fought a guy that challenged Anderson for the title. I didn't point to the results to assume an outcome like MMAth suggest. I pointed out a common opponent to point out he has faced a guy on that level. I also pointed at Munoz being a higher ranked fighter when Weidman beat him(#3 MW at the time) then a number of guys that Anderson fought against.
Anderson has more experience in MMA and MMA grappling that is true. But you can throw those belt colors out the window, Weidman is a far better grappler then a good number of black belts out there. His grappling isn't limited to BJJ he has the Division 1 All American wrestling to go with it. Also like mentioned he has adapted his wrestling to submissions better then just about anyone I have ever seen. He was beating guys in grappling competitions that had far more experience then he did.
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It wasn't MMAth at all. He said Weidman hasn't fought top level guys yet. I pointed out he already fought a guy that challenged Anderson for the title. I didn't point to the results to assume an outcome like MMAth suggest. I pointed out a common opponent to point out he has faced a guy on that level. I also pointed at Munoz being a higher ranked fighter when Weidman beat him(#3 MW at the time) then a number of guys that Anderson fought against.
Anderson has more experience in MMA and MMA grappling that is true. But you can throw those belt colors out the window, Weidman is a far better grappler then a good number of black belts out there. His grappling isn't limited to BJJ he has the Division 1 All American wrestling to go with it. Also like mentioned he has adapted his wrestling to submissions better then just about anyone I have ever seen. He was beating guys in grappling competitions that had far more experience then he did.
I see, think I misunderstood. I thought you were saying, Weidman beat Munoz, Munoz is better than Leites And Cote, Weidman is therefore better than Leites and Cote, Weidman dominated Munoz in a way Silva didn't dominate Cote/Leites, therefore Weidman beats Silva. To be honest I have no idea why I thought you would use MMAth. Just for a second it seemed like you did.




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