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View Poll Results: Who do you want Spider to fight next?
Bones 32 39.02%
GSP 14 17.07%
Weidman 31 37.80%
Rockhold 2 2.44%
Vitor 3 3.66%
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I see, think I misunderstood. I thought you were saying, Weidman beat Munoz, Munoz is better than Leites And Cote, Weidman is therefore better than Leites and Cote, Weidman dominated Munoz in a way Silva didn't dominate Cote/Leites, therefore Weidman beats Silva. To be honest I have no idea why I thought you would use MMAth. Just for a second it seemed like you did.
My bad, I was typing pretty fast and the phone was ringing here at work, I might not have worded it the best.
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Watching the fights. Weidman is a grappler first, striker second. Anderson is a striker first and only a defensive grappler. Weidman uses grappling as primary focus of his offensive game. Anderson does not. Weidman has been on the ground willingly with high level grapplers. Anderson avoids it at all cost. It's a big focus of his game because it's the strongest part of his game. Weidman being the high level wrestler he is will be in top position often. Anderson is better off his back then Weidman is off his back. But I'll take Weidman's offensive top game over Anderson's game off his back. Like I said before if you look at Weidman's fights and his past achievements in grappling he has the tools needed to put Anderson Silva on his back. From there I like his chances of getting the submission more then I like Anderson's off his back.


So who has Weidman subbed from top control that leads you to believe he can sub Anderson Silva? Tom Lawlor ( Blue belt ) ?

Meanwhile, Silva subbed Dan Henderson ( only been subbed by Big Nog and Silva ) and Chael Sonnen. You dismissed that win over Sonnen as nothing of note but who has subbed Sonnen in the last 5 years? Silva, Maia and Filho. Does that make him a poor grappler? No.

Anyway, Weidman lasted 15minutes on the ground with Maia, WOW! Yes he won that fight on short notice, but Maia was training to fight Bisping, a completely different fighter from Weidman. Did Maia actually think Bisping would try to take him to the ground? No. We all know how much difference a gameplan makes.

You made me question whether I am Weidman's fan or not (ARGH). I believe he has huge potential and is a definite future champion, but saying he will sub Silva with such confidence is just bewildering to me.

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So who has Weidman subbed from top control that leads you to believe he can sub Anderson Silva? Tom Lawlor ( Blue belt ) ?

Meanwhile, Silva subbed Dan Henderson ( only been subbed by Big Nog and Silva ) and Chael Sonnen. You dismissed that win over Sonnen as nothing of note but who has subbed Sonnen in the last 5 years? Silva, Maia and Filho. Does that make him a poor grappler? No.

Anyway, Weidman lasted 15minutes on the ground with Maia, WOW! Yes he won that fight on short notice, but Maia was training to fight Bisping, a completely different fighter from Weidman. Did Maia actually think Bisping would try to take him to the ground? No. We all know how much difference a gameplan makes.

You make me question whether I am Weidman's fan or not. I believe he has huge potential and is a definite future champion, but saying he will sub Silva with such confidence is just bewildering to me.
I said he has the ability to and when someone else stated it was a "slim" possibility I disagreed. I didn't say he definitely would just that he definitely has the ability to. I think I have said all I can though, I feel my points are valid and hold up to everything being thrown my way. I understand people are going to disagree but I stand by everything I have said here.
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Watching the fights. Weidman is a grappler first, striker second. Anderson is a striker first and only a defensive grappler. Weidman uses grappling as primary focus of his offensive game. Anderson does not. Weidman has been on the ground willingly with high level grapplers. Anderson avoids it at all cost. It's a big focus of his game because it's the strongest part of his game. Weidman being the high level wrestler he is will be in top position often. Anderson is better off his back then Weidman is off his back. But I'll take Weidman's offensive top game over Anderson's game off his back. Like I said before if you look at Weidman's fights and his past achievements in grappling he has the tools needed to put Anderson Silva on his back. From there I like his chances of getting the submission more then I like Anderson's off his back.
Ok. If you want to believe that you've seen enough to suggest Weidman is a more effective MMA grappler then Anderson Silva, then thats cool. I disagree of course!
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Ok. If you want to believe that you've seen enough to suggest Weidman is a more effective MMA grappler then Anderson Silva, then thats cool. I disagree of course!
I have no problem eating crow or admitting when I'm wrong so if it turns out that's the case. I'll gladly give you props and admit I was crazy.
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Bisping has 1 top 10 win. Weidman has 2.
That's such a stretch. Plus you are acting like it is fact. Rankings are OPINION. That would be like arguing between the 49ers & Ravens, asking who has beaten more teams in the top 10 of ESPN.Com's weekly power rankings. If you really think beating Munoz & Maia is more impressive than Stann, Mayhem, Akiyama, Leben, and Hamill, then wow. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you are likely either just trolling or incredibly biased towards Weidman (or a combination of both).

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That's such a stretch. Plus you are acting like it is fact. Rankings are OPINION. That would be like arguing between the 49ers & Ravens, asking who has beaten more teams in the top 10 of ESPN.Com's weekly power rankings. If you really think beating Munoz & Maia is more impressive than Stann, Mayhem, Akiyama, Leben, and Hamill, then wow. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you are likely either just trolling or incredibly biased towards Weidman (or a combination of both).
Like you said, opinion. So how could you label it as a troll if this is all subjective? Practice your own logic.

And in my opinion, Mayhem, Akiyama and Leben are not even close to good wins. Mayhem looked like complete and utter garbage, Akiyama has literally done nothing impressive since coming to the UFC and Leben is just an awful striker with a good chin that hasnt really been a scary fighter in years.


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And in my opinion, Mayhem, Akiyama and Leben are not even close to good wins. Mayhem looked like complete and utter garbage, Akiyama has literally done nothing impressive since coming to the UFC and Leben is just an awful striker with a good chin that hasnt really been a scary fighter in years.
By the same token, you cold say that Munoz looked like shite when he fought Weidman. Worse then we've ever seen him.
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By the same token, you cold say that Munoz looked like shite when he fought Weidman. Worse then we've ever seen him.
You won't hear anything from me saying otherwise. I wasn't necessarily defending Weidman's record in the UFC. I am just pointing out that the wins posted above that Bisping has are not that impressive either.


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