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Rashad Evans 23 69.70%
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira 10 30.30%
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:59 PM   #111 (permalink)
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I dunno for some odd reason I actually enjoyed the fight even though I lost a big bet like 95% of the people. I think it's because Rashad went out of his comfort zone and decided to take Lil Nog head on in his own game. But I also think it was a bit of false confidence built up by training with Vitor, Tyrone and Alistair. If you notice the camp doesn't really have any wrestlers like the way Death Clutch or Xtreme Couture was. Its a predominately striking club so it really resonated with all the Blackzillian fights. It's also quite apparent that they don't have a game planner in place. I mean just look at their instructors. Good to run a gym, but not to corner for world class fights in the UFC.

Fabio Mello is a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu blackbelt and MMA veteran of both Pride FC and Bellator (teaches BJJ and no gi Jiu Jitsu).[4]

Marcus Aurélio is a 4th degree blackbelt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and MMA veteran of both Pride FC and the UFC (teaches professional and beginning MMA).[5]

Mike “Bonesaw” Hyman spent his MMA career fighting out of American Top Team (Personal Trainer, General Manager of Imperial Athletics, kids programs, and leads the amateur MMA team).[6]

Lots of talent, but no direction. Kinda like the Lakers this season. Phil Jackson...where you at. Bring Phil Jackson (not Greg Jackson) to MMA and I guarantee it will translate to some wins. Point is they need someone who sees this shit on a peripheral view.

Stellar cornerman/trainers.

Matt Hume
Greg Jackson
Winklejohn
Firaz Zahabi
Jon Danaher
Rafael Cordeiro
I don't think Javier is that good, but I give props to Dave Camarillo.
Gilbert Melendez
John Hackleman
The Nogueiras
Dedé
Mike Van Arsdale
Tompkins (RIP)

Decent cornerman/trainers:
Ray Sefo
Matt Delagrotte
Jason Parillo
Feijao
Jorge Gurgel
Lance Gibson (Rampage won under his tutelage)
Duke Roufous
Almeida

Worst cornerman:
Randy Couture
Entire Wolfslair camp
Rudy Valentino
Anderson Silva (yep...he's too good of a fighter...so he has a hard time understanding why his pupils aren't able to execute. Just watch him cornering fights and you'll see how frustrated he gets. There's only one other athlete like this and that's Michael Jordan. Same issue with the Washington Wizards. He got so fed up he decided to join the team. Not necessarily a bad thing...they're just too good so they have to "dumb down" their coaching level so their pupils can understand or comprehend it. Also there tends to be added pressure having him as your cornerman because of high expectations.

Training in the gym is a whole different ball game. Anderson, Michael Jordan would be dream coaches.

If I had to pick one team it probably would be Blackhouse due to my favorite fighters being there, but Tri-Star cuz they all seem like family. They're training is far beyond most camps and you don't hear anything about dissension, egos, issues like that.

So yah Blackzillians...pay attention to this list.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:17 AM   #112 (permalink)
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I dunno for some odd reason I actually enjoyed the fight even though I lost a big bet like 95% of the people. I think it's because Rashad went out of his comfort zone and decided to take Lil Nog head on in his own game. But I also think it was a bit of false confidence built up by training with Vitor, Tyrone and Alistair. If you notice the camp doesn't really have any wrestlers like the way Death Clutch or Xtreme Couture was. Its a predominately striking club so it really resonated with all the Blackzillian fights. It's also quite apparent that they don't have a game planner in place. I mean just look at their instructors. Good to run a gym, but not to corner for world class fights in the UFC.

Fabio Mello is a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu blackbelt and MMA veteran of both Pride FC and Bellator (teaches BJJ and no gi Jiu Jitsu).[4]

Marcus Aurélio is a 4th degree blackbelt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and MMA veteran of both Pride FC and the UFC (teaches professional and beginning MMA).[5]

Mike “Bonesaw” Hyman spent his MMA career fighting out of American Top Team (Personal Trainer, General Manager of Imperial Athletics, kids programs, and leads the amateur MMA team).[6]

Lots of talent, but no direction. Kinda like the Lakers this season. Phil Jackson...where you at. Bring Phil Jackson (not Greg Jackson) to MMA and I guarantee it will translate to some wins. Point is they need someone who sees this shit on a peripheral view.

Stellar cornerman/trainers.

Matt Hume
Greg Jackson
Winklejohn
Firaz Zahabi
Jon Danaher
Rafael Cordeiro
I don't think Javier is that good, but I give props to Dave Camarillo.
Gilbert Melendez
John Hackleman
The Nogueiras
Dedé
Mike Van Arsdale
Tompkins (RIP)

Decent cornerman/trainers:
Ray Sefo
Matt Delagrotte
Jason Parillo
Feijao
Jorge Gurgel
Lance Gibson (Rampage won under his tutelage)
Duke Roufous
Almeida

Worst cornerman:
Randy Couture
Entire Wolfslair camp
Rudy Valentino
Anderson Silva (yep...he's too good of a fighter...so he has a hard time understanding why his pupils aren't able to execute. Just watch him cornering fights and you'll see how frustrated he gets. There's only one other athlete like this and that's Michael Jordan. Same issue with the Washington Wizards. He got so fed up he decided to join the team. Not necessarily a bad thing...they're just too good so they have to "dumb down" their coaching level so their pupils can understand or comprehend it. Also there tends to be added pressure having him as your cornerman because of high expectations.

Training in the gym is a whole different ball game. Anderson, Michael Jordan would be dream coaches.

If I had to pick one team it probably would be Blackhouse due to my favorite fighters being there, but Tri-Star cuz they all seem like family. They're training is far beyond most camps and you don't hear anything about dissension, egos, issues like that.

So yah Blackzillians...pay attention to this list.
What a nice comment.. Rashad lost cause of lost of interest and motive imo (in addition to what you said..)
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:27 AM   #113 (permalink)
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This fight looked like it belonged on TUF16 :P


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Old 02-04-2013, 11:39 AM   #114 (permalink)
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His win over Thiago Silva was terrible.
His win over Rampage was terrible.
His win over Ortiz was okay
His win over Phil Davis was actually impressive

All in all, the guy just isn't that good of a fighter.
Some of the comments on here are just plain disgusting. To sit here like some know it all MMA fantatic and insist that a former world champion isn't a good fighter seems weak imo, and i'm specifically talking about Grappleretarded, dsmjrv and aeries. The other people who commented, fair play.

Grappleretarded (apt screeny), dsmjrv,aeries and other people are talk shit about Rashad, what have you lot done? All you do is sit on here everyday talking about how Rashad's not a good fighter yet I doubt any of you lot are doing anything interesting with your own lives. Rashad's a former world champion, who the hell are you lot?


Now, I thought Rashad's performance was atrocious. Didn't want to be there and his heart clearly isn't in the right place right now. I'd rather he retired than put out another performance right now, but that's no reason to justify trying to take away what he's done in the past 8 years. Some of you lot should be ashamed of yourselves. I'm done with this board.
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Rashad is a top fighter and looked off there. Because he didn't or wasn't able to wrestle. He is supposed to be and elite MMA wrestler who out-wrestled Phil all night long. Yet he couldn't get Lil Nog down?

What has been overrated is his striking. He has won a lot of fights because he usually has top wrestling, good athleticism, and good enough cardio to keep this up for however long. And he obviously had enough BJJ knowledge to be fine on the ground. He was never a good striker. His striking success stemmed mostly from the threat of his TD. His actual striking is god awful and always has been. He has a couple KOs over pretty much over the hill fighters or bums and fans think he is a dangerous striker with KO power. He isn't and never was.

Now with Spong and Overeem in camp he thinks he is even better. A year around good strikers doesn't amount to 20 years of boxing training and refining technique. Rashad wasn't able to get by on pure athleticism this fight. And Nog has more left than people realized. Nog loses fights when he is put on his back vs. more athletic wrestlers. Rashad didn't do that and was stuffed.

If his wrestling doesn't work he finds a hard time having success.

He is a cocky fock. He is old enough now that he should drop the image. It isn't a dance off. It isn't a swagger competition. That isn't going to scare opponents, that you try so hard to look confident. Rashad got hurt at Jackson's then ran off to try and prove something with his own camp....and failed badly. Sell any stake you have to someone else and go to a real camp and get serious for once.
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I am STUNNED that Rashad lost to Lil Nog. I said in another thread that there was no chance it would happen and I pointed out how Nog lost to Bader and Phil Davis, and should have lost against Brilz. It really shows that MMAmath doesn't work and that anything can happen in any fight. I don't get why Rashad didn't relentlessly go for the TD.

Sucks for Rashad and the UFC since the big Rashad/Silva match won't happen, and they will probably lose out on 300K+ buys compared to what Silva/Weidman will do.
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I am STUNNED that Rashad lost to Lil Nog. I said in another thread that there was no chance it would happen and I pointed out how Nog lost to Bader and Phil Davis, and should have lost against Brilz. It really shows that MMAmath doesn't work and that anything can happen in any fight. I don't get why Rashad didn't relentlessly go for the TD.

Sucks for Rashad and the UFC since the big Rashad/Silva match won't happen, and they will probably lose out on 300K+ buys compared to what Silva/Weidman will do.
I agree, I was stunned too. But I must say that yea Nog IMO did lose to Brilz, he also IMO won the Bader fight. So in the end he got the wrong decision twice on both ways so it evens out. Nog showed he had good TDD in the Bader fight but I never thought he would be able to keep Rashad off him.
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Rashad would have won if it was a Paddy cake match.
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Some of the comments on here are just plain disgusting. To sit here like some know it all MMA fantatic and insist that a former world champion isn't a good fighter seems weak imo, and i'm specifically talking about Grappleretarded, dsmjrv and aeries. The other people who commented, fair play.

Grappleretarded (apt screeny), dsmjrv,aeries and other people are talk shit about Rashad, what have you lot done? All you do is sit on here everyday talking about how Rashad's not a good fighter yet I doubt any of you lot are doing anything interesting with your own lives. Rashad's a former world champion, who the hell are you lot?


Now, I thought Rashad's performance was atrocious. Didn't want to be there and his heart clearly isn't in the right place right now. I'd rather he retired than put out another performance right now, but that's no reason to justify trying to take away what he's done in the past 8 years. Some of you lot should be ashamed of yourselves. I'm done with this board.
Rashad seems to be dealing with too much drama: middle of a divorce; brother is fighting in Afganistan; falling out with Jacksons, etc.

I'm not commenting on how much of that is his fault; I'm just speculating that it's all negatively affecting his performance.

I'm hoping he watches the video of that last fight and gets motivated by it.
I'm hoping his personal life gets sorted.
And I'm hoping he chooses to drop to MW to pursue that title. It might be just the change he needs to spark his career.

Here's to hoping...

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Some of the comments on here are just plain disgusting. To sit here like some know it all MMA fantatic and insist that a former world champion isn't a good fighter seems weak imo, and i'm specifically talking about Grappleretarded, dsmjrv and aeries. The other people who commented, fair play.

Grappleretarded (apt screeny), dsmjrv,aeries and other people are talk shit about Rashad, what have you lot done? All you do is sit on here everyday talking about how Rashad's not a good fighter yet I doubt any of you lot are doing anything interesting with your own lives. Rashad's a former world champion, who the hell are you lot?


Now, I thought Rashad's performance was atrocious. Didn't want to be there and his heart clearly isn't in the right place right now. I'd rather he retired than put out another performance right now, but that's no reason to justify trying to take away what he's done in the past 8 years. Some of you lot should be ashamed of yourselves. I'm done with this board.
What have our life accomplishments got to do with criticising Rashads performances? Because we aren't world champions in a sport, that doesn't give us the right to assess and criticise professionals? That's not how the world works.

I didn't say Rashad wasn't a good fighter, read the post again. I said he isn't THAT good of a fighter. Key word being "that". He's good, he's an upper echelon fighter, there's no doubt about that, but he isn't a great fighter, I don't believe he ever has been and I don't believe he ever will be. That's my opinion on the matter and I believe I've explained my opinion accordingly. If you don't agree with it, then state your reasons for disagreeing with it and explain why you think Rashad is a truly great fighter.

Don't sit there and try and ask about my personal life and ask what I have achieved. I'm not "hating" on Rashad. I don't like his personality, his fighting style and I don't think he's THAT good of a fighter. I'm sorry that you're so upset with my opinion on the matter, I don't know why you're getting so upset about it to be honest.
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