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Rashad Evans 23 69.70%
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira 10 30.30%
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:11 PM   #121 (permalink)
 
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So according to MMA math, Lil Nog, Evans and Davis will spend the rest of their life in an eternal loop:

Evans > Davis > Nog > Evans > Davis > Nog > Evans > Davi....

My head hurts, screw you MMA math
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:44 PM   #122 (permalink)
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What a nice comment.. Rashad lost cause of lost of interest and motive imo (in addition to what you said..)
Appreciate that! Sometimes you see these ultra talented teams and you wonder why they don't win. There's more than meets the eye. I believe what Dana White said is true. They (Blackzilians) need to re-evaluate.

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It would have went to a sudden victory round(s) into perpetuity with them pawing at each other.

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Some of the comments on here are just plain disgusting. To sit here like some know it all MMA fantatic and insist that a former world champion isn't a good fighter seems weak imo, and i'm specifically talking about Grappleretarded, dsmjrv and aeries. The other people who commented, fair play.

Grappleretarded (apt screeny), dsmjrv,aeries and other people are talk shit about Rashad, what have you lot done? All you do is sit on here everyday talking about how Rashad's not a good fighter yet I doubt any of you lot are doing anything interesting with your own lives. Rashad's a former world champion, who the hell are you lot?


Now, I thought Rashad's performance was atrocious. Didn't want to be there and his heart clearly isn't in the right place right now. I'd rather he retired than put out another performance right now, but that's no reason to justify trying to take away what he's done in the past 8 years. Some of you lot should be ashamed of yourselves. I'm done with this board.
Shouldn't get too bent outta shape. He's in a funk right now. Looked like he was going through the motions, but he wasn't really there. Which leads to the bottom quotations.

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Rashad seems to be dealing with too much drama: middle of a divorce; brother is fighting in Afganistan; falling out with Jacksons, etc.

I'm not commenting on how much of that is his fault; I'm just speculating that it's all negatively affecting his performance.

I'm hoping he watches the video of that last fight and gets motivated by it.
I'm hoping his personal life gets sorted.
And I'm hoping he chooses to drop to MW to pursue that title. It might be just the change he needs to spark his career.

Here's to hoping...

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Had no idea his bro is in Afghan. That's a triple whammy. A friends sibling got KIA there. Very sad.

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So according to MMA math, Lil Nog, Evans and Davis will spend the rest of their life in an eternal loop:

Evans > Davis > Nog > Evans > Davis > Nog > Evans > Davi....

My head hurts, screw you MMA math
This is like the parable of "which came first the chicken or the egg..."

MMA math theorem that needs to be solved.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:53 AM   #123 (permalink)
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What have our life accomplishments got to do with criticising Rashads performances? Because we aren't world champions in a sport, that doesn't give us the right to assess and criticise professionals? That's not how the world works.

I didn't say Rashad wasn't a good fighter, read the post again. I said he isn't THAT good of a fighter. Key word being "that". He's good, he's an upper echelon fighter, there's no doubt about that, but he isn't a great fighter, I don't believe he ever has been and I don't believe he ever will be. That's my opinion on the matter and I believe I've explained my opinion accordingly. If you don't agree with it, then state your reasons for disagreeing with it and explain why you think Rashad is a truly great fighter.

Don't sit there and try and ask about my personal life and ask what I have achieved. I'm not "hating" on Rashad. I don't like his personality, his fighting style and I don't think he's THAT good of a fighter. I'm sorry that you're so upset with my opinion on the matter, I don't know why you're getting so upset about it to be honest.

'Not THAT good of a fighter'. How vague is that? Come on, that's just another euphemism for saying you think he's a shite fighter. At least stick to your guns instead of contradicting yourself all the time. So first he isn' 'that good of a fighter', and now he's an 'upper echelon fighter' but not a 'great' one?? Well colour me confused ffs.

I'm upset because every flippin' day I have to go online to this forum (and other MMA websites) and read negative posts about Rashad. EVERYDAY for the past 6 years I have had to read about how everyone thinks Rashad's a weak fighter and has a terrible personality because he dances around and is a bad guy and blah blah blah. This shit gets to you after awhile, you know. I imagine it's gotten to Rashad. I don't expect everyone to like him, that's fine. But you and people like John13245324 always try to take away his accomplishments, and that's just deeply disrespectful. To sit there while a guys beats some of the top fighters of the promotion and become a champion while you guys criticise him? That's not on.

I can't stand Jon Jones, but haven't wouldn't dare suggest he isn't 'that good of a fighter' all because I don't like him or his personality. Besides a dud performance against Lil Nog, Rashad's only lost to two world champions. Great fighters in Machida and Jones. These were two undisputed, undefeated fighters when Rashad fought them. And he has only lost to them in 8 years. How does that NOT make him great??

Why do I think Rashad's a great fighter? Well, to be honest, i've exhausted my reasonings behind this insane thinking. But I admire real men. Men who fight against the odds and don't get influenced by negative people around them. When Rashad started on the Ultimate Fighter, the shit he had to put up with was unreal.

Dana didn't like him and felt he was too small to compete with the heavyweights. So tried to talk him out of even competing. So even when Rashad refused, Dana still went on to just criticise Rashad up until the Jardine fight, and even then it was only half a complement. Matt Hughes reaction to his 'showboating' didn't help matters, and influenced the entire MMA fanbase in a similar way to how Hitler influenced most of Germany, it seems. One of which was our favourite sex offender, Mike Whitehead, who Rashad had been friends with but wasn't anymore because Mr Whitehead agreed with Hughes statements. Whenever Rashad strikes he's 'showboating' or something or other. But in the end, all that negativity didn't matter because he fought his way to the finale where he had, what imo, was one of the most thrilling and exciting Ultimate Fighter finales to this day, his back and forth win with 6,7, 260lbs Brad Imes. He somehow beat Imes, despite everything, and won the respect of Rich Franklin and eventually Dana White. That's perseverance you can't buy. Very few people have it. Even people who extremely talented at fighting may not have it. Strength of character is what I appreciate, and Rashad has been a paradigm of that for ages now.

Rashad then went on undefeated beating fighters like Jason Lambert, Stephen Bonnar, Chuck Liddell and Forrest Griffin, who he captured the LHW belt from. That performance is another one of my favourites not just because he won the belt, but because he captured it in a way that was both confident and exciting. Rashad had so much spark, so much confidence that he basically just played with Forrest before he decided to call it quits and finished him. That was A.Silva like imo. People talk about how he was getting destroyed before he 'got lucky' when in fact, Rashad wasn't in any danger whatsoever. He wanted to strike and make the fight more appealing to the masses, and he did until he decided to finish it.

He then ran into Machida, who he didn't train properly for and didn't use his strength against. We all know what happened then. It happens. THEN, he beats T.Silva, a decent enough gatekeeper, Rampage Jackson, another former world champion and completely obliterates a game Tito Ortiz with what was probably his most aggressive performance ever after a lengthy lay off.

The fight with Phil Davis was great. Davis is QUALITY, especially his wrestling. So to handle him for 5 rounds like he did was very impressive imo. Davis is a guy who could become champion, and Rashad made him look like a kid.

He has beaten all of these high quality people through superior fight IQ, well rounded skillset and having the heart of a lion (until Lil Nog). Always the smaller man, but often the bigger heart, Rashad has beaten 4 world champions and several top contenders in his career, and he had people hate him for it.

This would make him great, imo. But whatever, diss away.
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:17 AM   #124 (permalink)
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As far as I was aware, and you can quote me on this, but you dont have to be better at fighting than a fighter in the UFC to criticise one... If that was a case no forums would exist, no media would exist, nothing, nada, etc etc.

If someone doesnt like a fighter, and thinks they suck, then they are more than welcome to say it on here.

That being said, Rashad Evans doesnt suck... but his game plans do. He could wrestle **** pretty much anyone in the UFC but chooses to stand and have sloppy kickboxing matches which usually end at a boring decision. LEts face it, Rashads striking isnt great but his wrestling is. Does having rubbish game plans make you a bad fighter? perhaps?
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As far as I was aware, and you can quote me on this, but you dont have to be better at fighting than a fighter in the UFC to criticise one... If that was a case no forums would exist, no media would exist, nothing, nada, etc etc.

If someone doesnt like a fighter, and thinks they suck, then they are more than welcome to say it on here.

That being said, Rashad Evans doesnt suck... but his game plans do. He could wrestle **** pretty much anyone in the UFC but chooses to stand and have sloppy kickboxing matches which usually end at a boring decision. LEts face it, Rashads striking isnt great but his wrestling is. Does having rubbish game plans make you a bad fighter? perhaps?
So tell where I said that you had to be a UFC fighter to criticise another fighter?? Did I say that, no. So stop talking rubbish. I said I don't think any of us have the right to try and strip away a fighters accomplishments. That's all. So do not try and patronise me with the 'we are all entitled to our opinion' bull.
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Did Rashad Evans make an account on here and name himself after Batman? I've never seen somebody so sensitive about what others say about a fighter.
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So tell where I said that you had to be a UFC fighter to criticise another fighter?? Did I say that, no. So stop talking rubbish. I said I don't think any of us have the right to try and strip away a fighters accomplishments. That's all. So do not try and patronise me with the 'we are all entitled to our opinion' bull.
Wow! Sounds like somebody needs to stop taking internet forums so seriously.

Tell me where I said, that you said, you had to be a UFC fighter to criticise one?

See, I can do this too.
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Rashad has faced four top 5 fighters in his entire career; Jones, Machida, Rampage, and Forrest. And he's 2-2 against them, plus a loss to Lil Nog who isn't even in the top 10 these days. Sorry, but there's no way he's an elite fighter when he can't manage a winning record against the top 5.

Has he gone far with the skills he has? Sure. But so has Josh Koscheck among others. And he's not a great fighter either. Same with Forrest, even though he was a champion as well.
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Rashad is a very good fighter - I won't argue against that. I will however argue, that the Rashad we saw at UFC 156 seemed hesitant and unwilling to engage.

Wether it was because he realized he couldn't take lil Nog down and his gameplan fell apart as a result, or it was just a lack of motivation following the Jones fight we'll never know.

All I know is that Rashad turned in a less than impressive performance and on that night, I was not a fan of his (Or Nog's for that matter)

MMA fans will always be very "what have you done for me lately" minded so to speak, and Rashad has gotten a lot of hate because he's done/said a lot of stuff that didn't sit well with the average fan. Simple as that.

I still admire his abilities and respect his accomplishments, but don't tell me I have to be a fan of his because he fights through adversity. That's a fighters god damn job, all fighters get paid to do that. As for hardships outside the ring, all people have those as well.
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I'm having de ja vu here with bc, cc, among a few others. This is how it begins. Best not to get too emotionally involved. I was once like this when Vitor was handed his first loss to Randy Couture way back in 1997, then many years later with Mirko vs Gonzaga and of course GSP vs Serra. I got a bit of that feeling this past weekend for sure with Overeem vs BF.

Unfortunately there wasn't any forums back then to vent. So I had to keep it in all these years. Randy is a great ambassador for the sport, but nobody expected him to beat the rising Phenom like that. Everything comes around. Lyoto kicked his head off decades later, Gonzaga would yo yo, Serra got kneed to death and lost three of his next four bouts, and the balance of the force was restored.

I guess ultimately it shows passion when you exude these kind of emotions especially when you're betting!
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