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Old 02-01-2013, 05:04 AM   #91 (permalink)
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It shows a history of consistent performance at the highest levels. Whether they can carry those skills and so forth to another weight class with the same results is a valid question, but it shows that they at least have those skills & attributes in the first place. Aldo, Edgar, GSP, Silva, and Jones are all proven fighters at the highest levels. Rashad is not. That is the difference.


Dumb statement.

Rashad's a bad match up for Anderson, anybody not wearing dickhead goggles knows this. You don't like Rashad, we get it. But to say he hasn't proven himself at highest levels is absurd. He was the undefeated LHW champion, only Machida and JBJ can say that too. He has been beating fighters in the top 10 and even top 5 for at least 6 years now, with only 2 loses, two championship fights in which he had horrible gameplans for. So what if he didn't defend the belt? Neither did Machida and Shogun. He still became a champion. I don't buy into all this 'your not the champ until you defend the belt' bullshit that Matt Hughes came up with. Perhaps they aren't proven high level fighters either? He's the only one to go 5 rounds with Jones and actually make it competitive at some points in the fight.

Rashad is just as proven as your Edgar's, your Aldo's and your Silva's.
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:18 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Dumb statement.

Rashad's a bad match up for Anderson, anybody not wearing dickhead goggles knows this. You don't like Rashad, we get it. But to say he hasn't proven himself at highest levels is absurd. He was the undefeated LHW champion, only Machida and JBJ can say that too. He has been beating fighters in the top 10 and even top 5 for at least 6 years now, with only 2 loses, two championship fights in which he had horrible gameplans for. So what if he didn't defend the belt? Neither did Machida and Shogun. He still became a champion. I don't buy into all this 'your not the champ until you defend the belt' bullshit that Matt Hughes came up with. Perhaps they aren't proven high level fighters either? He's the only one to go 5 rounds with Jones and actually make it competitive at some points in the fight.

Rashad is just as proven as your Edgar's, your Aldo's and your Silva's.
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Dumb statement.


Rashad is just as proven as your Silva's.
Tell me that isn't the pot calling the kettle black..
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:09 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Rashad's a bad match up for Anderson, anybody not wearing dickhead goggles knows this. You don't like Rashad, we get it.
Actually, wrong. I'm completely indifferent towards Rashad, I neither like him nor dislike him. And he's only a bad match up for Anderson IF he fights to a perfect gameplan and executes it perfectly for the entire fight, something which he's never done.

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But to say he hasn't proven himself at highest levels is absurd. He was the undefeated LHW champion, only Machida and JBJ can say that too. He has been beating fighters in the top 10 and even top 5 for at least 6 years now, with only 2 loses, two championship fights in which he had horrible gameplans for. So what if he didn't defend the belt? Neither did Machida and Shogun. He still became a champion. I don't buy into all this 'your not the champ until you defend the belt' bullshit that Matt Hughes came up with. Perhaps they aren't proven high level fighters either? He's the only one to go 5 rounds with Jones and actually make it competitive at some points in the fight.
And his road to the championship was filled with cream puffs, hell, Bisping's the only other high profile fighter I can think of with as many freebie fights on his record. His biggest win in the streak was a washed up Chuck Liddell who had just lost to Keith freakin' Jardine. I'll give him his due for beating Griffin, but let's be honest, he was getting solidly outpointed up until he lucked into a knockdown in round 3.

As for Machida, he defended his title against Shogun, whether you like the decision or not (I don't, but that's a different story). As for Shogun, he hasn't been an elite fighter since his win over Machida, his technique and fight smarts have gone to shit and he only pulls out wins because his toughness and and punching power.

Furthermore, gameplans, and the intelligence to recognize when they aren't working and make the appropriate adjustments are just as important as physical & technical skills. This, by the way is why Shogun sucks ass these days and why Rampage was able to squeak out a decision against Machida. As you've admitted yourself, Rashad is a complete dumbass with gameplans in championship fights, why do you suddenly expect him to grow a brain and fight smart against Anderson Silva? Let me guess, 3rd time's the charm? He had the stupid beaten out of him by Jon Jones? Until he proves otherwise, there's no reason to believe he'll fight smart and use the right gameplan, and unless he can do that he's dead meat against Anderson Silva.
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Actually, wrong. I'm completely indifferent towards Rashad, I neither like him nor dislike him. And he's only a bad match up for Anderson IF he fights to a perfect gameplan and executes it perfectly for the entire fight, something which he's never done.
Rashad's never executed a perfect gameplan? Lol, pull the other one, mate. So using his superior speed to counter fight the counter fighterin Chuck Liddell so that Liddell got frustrated and walked into a bomb wasn't a perfect gameplan? Mixing high and low striking with technical wrestling in order confuse Rampage and keep him guessing wasn't a perfect gameplan? I could go on, but then, i'd only be embarrassing you.

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And his road to the championship was filled with cream puffs, hell, Bisping's the only other high profile fighter I can think of with as many freebie fights on his record. His biggest win in the streak was a washed up Chuck Liddell who had just lost to Keith freakin' Jardine. I'll give him his due for beating Griffin, but let's be honest, he was getting solidly outpointed up until he lucked into a knockdown in round 3.
You're just taking the piss now. You're suggesting Dana, who didn't even rate Rashad up until the Forrest fight, fed Rashad easy fights? Like i've said before, Jason Lambert was a fighter on like a 5 or 6 win streak before being bumped off in convincing fashion by Rashad. Stephen Bonnar has always been a solid fighter. Not great, but he had far more experience than Rashad and Rashad just rag dolled him around like nobody's business. Chuck was a former LHW who was coming off a great performance against Wanderlei Silva. He had only lost to Rampage and had a bad night against Keith Jardine.

He had also fought a super heavyweight in Brad Imes, who whilst not super skilled, had a ridiculous size and height advantage over Rashad.

And so what if he was getting outpointed by Griffin? He was NEVER in any danger in that fight, and Rashad knew it. When he decided that he had enough of the stand up, he took Griffin down and finished him in less than a min.
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Tell me that isn't the pot calling the kettle black..
Rashad is a proven top fighter, just like Silva.
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Evans is only a bad match-up for Silva if he decides to utilize his wrestling. The Evans who fought Davis might make it interesting. The Evans who fought Jones would be doing the stanky-leg in under two rounds.
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Rashad's never executed a perfect gameplan? Lol, pull the other one, mate. So using his superior speed to counter fight the counter fighterin Chuck Liddell so that Liddell got frustrated and walked into a bomb wasn't a perfect gameplan? Mixing high and low striking with technical wrestling in order confuse Rampage and keep him guessing wasn't a perfect gameplan? I could go on, but then, i'd only be embarrassing you.
Chuck I might give you, but not Rampage, considering that he got floored in the 3rd round, and were it not for Rampages ineptitude he would've been finished.

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You're just taking the piss now. You're suggesting Dana, who didn't even rate Rashad up until the Forrest fight, fed Rashad easy fights? Like i've said before, Jason Lambert was a fighter on like a 5 or 6 win streak before being bumped off in convincing fashion by Rashad. Stephen Bonnar has always been a solid fighter. Not great, but he had far more experience than Rashad and Rashad just rag dolled him around like nobody's business. Chuck was a former LHW who was coming off a great performance against Wanderlei Silva. He had only lost to Rampage and had a bad night against Keith Jardine.
And who did the mighty Jason Lambert beat in his win streak? No one in the top 20, that's for sure. And Bonnar, much as I love the guy, is much the same, his only notable win is Keith Jardine. Oh, and Chuck had a bad day against Jardine, yeah, ok, whatever. If you want to play that game then Forrest just had a bad day against Rashad.

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And so what if he was getting outpointed by Griffin? He was NEVER in any danger in that fight, and Rashad knew it. When he decided that he had enough of the stand up, he took Griffin down and finished him in less than a min.
So it took him 2.5 rounds to decide that he'd enough? I guess it had nothing to do with Forrest breaking his hand during the fight which allowed Rashad to finish it? Forrest just got unlucky and had a bad day, if he didn't break his hand in that fight he'd have won an easy decision.

And once again, you, yourself admitted that Rashad used a complete dumbass gameplan in both of his championship fights against Jones and Machida. You know, the one he just lost? And you have reason to believe he'll suddenly smarten up and execute a smart perfect plan against Silva?
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Chuck I might give you, but not Rampage, considering that he got floored in the 3rd round, and were it not for Rampages ineptitude he would've been finished.
You keep mentioning the 'were it not for' and 'if's'. Nobody gives a shit about what might have happened, i'm more interested in what ACTUALLY happened, and what happened in the Rampage fight is Rashad outsmarted Rampage, got into a little trouble in the 3rd round, and survived to come back and steal the round again. That's the mark of a true warrior, imo.




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And who did the mighty Jason Lambert beat in his win streak? No one in the top 20, that's for sure. And Bonnar, much as I love the guy, is much the same, his only notable win is Keith Jardine. Oh, and Chuck had a bad day against Jardine, yeah, ok, whatever. If you want to play that game then Forrest just had a bad day against Rashad.
If you're cool with discrediting other fighters records, then go for it. But Keith Jardine, Brad Imes, Stephen Bonnar, Jason Lambert, Michael Bisping and Chuck Liddell and Forrest Griffin aren't gimme fights. Then going on to beat T.Silva, Rampage, Tito Ortiz and the highly rated Phil Davis doesn't make you a non top fighter. That makes you an elite fighter.


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So it took him 2.5 rounds to decide that he'd enough? I guess it had nothing to do with Forrest breaking his hand during the fight which allowed Rashad to finish it? Forrest just got unlucky and had a bad day, if he didn't break his hand in that fight he'd have won an easy decision.
Rashad remembered that he had something over Forrest. I don't know about Forrest breaking his hand or whatever, but I know that Rashad took him down the moment he realised he was out pointed, and then that was it. You're trying to tell me that even if Forrest had broken his hand, it would have saved him from the ground and point assault that Rashad put on him yeah??? Besides, it wasn't that bad, Rashad was outpointed yeah, but he was so confident in Forrest's lack of power that he stood and taunted him before taking him down in the next round and ending it. Easy decision? Lol, the harder strikes were thrown by Rashad.

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And once again, you, yourself admitted that Rashad used a complete dumbass gameplan in both of his championship fights against Jones and Machida. You know, the one he just lost? And you have reason to believe he'll suddenly smarten up and execute a smart perfect plan against Silva?
Yes, Rashad used terrible game plans versus Machida and Jones. So, what, he's doomed to have bad game plans everytime he has a championship fight? He isn't capable of executing a good game plan against Silva all because he didn't against Jones and Machida?? Rashad often learns from his mistakes. He adapts, it's one of the reasons he became the champ. There isn't any logical reason to suggest he wouldn't have a strong game plan against Silva. Sonnen laid down the blue print, Rashad just has to implement the plan, and I think he could. Silva's weakness is Rashad's strength, and Silva may have the stand up advantage, but Rashad's ever improving striking and athleticism is less a gap than the grappling aspect of the fight is.

I respect Silva a lot, i'll never look past a man who has defended the belt over 10 times, but I have Rashad winning 7 times out of 10, at least. Just a bad match up, that's all there is to it.
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