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01-31-2013, 01:27 PM
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So what? That's not very relevant to the conversation. His point was Rashad has never fought at 185. Edgar hasn't fought at 145, what does him defending the belt at 155 have to do with him never fighting at 145?
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It shows a history of consistent performance at the highest levels. Whether they can carry those skills and so forth to another weight class with the same results is a valid question, but it shows that they at least have those skills & attributes in the first place. Aldo, Edgar, GSP, Silva, and Jones are all proven fighters at the highest levels. Rashad is not. That is the difference. |
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01-31-2013, 01:30 PM
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It shows a history of consistent performance at the highest levels. Whether they can carry those skills and so forth to another weight class with the same results is a valid question, but it shows that they at least have those skills & attributes in the first place. Aldo, Edgar, GSP, Silva, and Jones are all proven fighters at the highest levels. Rashad is not. That is the difference.
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Rashad isn't proven at the top level? He is one of the best fighters in the UFC not holding a belt. Maybe the best fighter not holding a belt.
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01-31-2013, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by aerius
It shows a history of consistent performance at the highest levels. Whether they can carry those skills and so forth to another weight class with the same results is a valid question, but it shows that they at least have those skills & attributes in the first place. Aldo, Edgar, GSP, Silva, and Jones are all proven fighters at the highest levels. Rashad is not. That is the difference.
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Rashad has consistently sat in the top few of a division much deeper than Anderson Silvas. You don't have to be a champion to show consistency at the top.
Frankie had 2 defenses. Just 2...
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01-31-2013, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by HitOrGetHit
Rashad has consistently sat in the top few of a division much deeper than Anderson Silvas.
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That is pure speculation.
Everybody at the top of that division is basically a shell of their former self aside from the guys who have risen up in the last couple of years (Teix and Gustafsson)
Hendo is 41, Shogun hasn't looked good for years, Rampage and Forrest are pretty much done.
Bader and Phil Davis are overrated.
Just because LHW has big names doesn't mean it has better fighters.
Rashad got rocked and almost finished by Thiago Silva, Anderson would murder him.
Who has Rashad really beaten in the last couple of years?
A chinny Chuck, Forrest (who got mauled by Andy), Thiago Silva, a horrible looking Rampage, Tito Ortiz and a scrub in Phil Davis.
I know we are going way back now but Bisping gave him a hell of a fight and Stephan Bonnar won on one judge's scorecard. We know what happened to Bonnar. |
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01-31-2013, 02:11 PM
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That is pure speculation.
Everybody at the top of that division is basically a shell of their former self aside from the guys who have risen up in the last couple of years (Teix and Gustafsson)
Hendo is 41, Shogun hasn't looked good for years, Rampage and Forrest are pretty much done.
Bader and Phil Davis are overrated.
Just because LHW has big names doesn't mean it has better fighters.
Rashad got rocked and almost finished by Thiago Silva, Anderson would murder him.
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And this is speculation as well. I just can't understand why people don't give Rashad a shot when his bread and butter s Anderson's weakness.
And what is MW? What is so great about the top fighters there? You have Weidman and Vitor. Then what? Okami is decent, Munoz is only even close to the top because of how weak the division is, Stann is one dimensional, Bisping can't win a big fight to save his life. Belcher, Cung, Cote, Franklin are all mid level fighters. Boetsch is up and down, Lombard is unproven, Palhares is extremely overrated and Maia left. MW is in my opinion the weakest division above 145.
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01-31-2013, 02:18 PM
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And this is speculation as well. I just can't understand why people don't give Rashad a shot when his bread and butter s Anderson's weakness.
And what is MW? What is so great about the top fighters there? You have Weidman and Vitor. Then what? Okami is decent, Munoz is only even close to the top because of how weak the division is, Stann is one dimensional, Bisping can't win a big fight to save his life. Belcher, Cung, Cote, Franklin are all mid level fighters. Boetsch is up and down, Lombard is unproven, Palhares is extremely overrated and Maia left. MW is in my opinion the weakest division above 145.
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It is speculation, you are right, but if Anderson had Rashad rocked like Thiago did, would you seriously argue that Rashad would recover? Now with that in mind would you argue that Anderson wouldn't find Rashad's chin (or body) in 5 rounds? You don't think Rashad is going to finish Andy, do you?
I'm not saying MW is the deepest division, i'm just saying LHW isn't either.
Rashad hasn't been dominating world beaters, he's beating up old dudes and scrubs. |
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01-31-2013, 02:25 PM
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It is speculation, you are right, but if Anderson had Rashad rocked like Thiago did, would you seriously argue that Rashad would recover? Now with that in mind would you argue that Anderson wouldn't find Rashad's chin (or body) in 5 rounds? You don't think Rashad is going to finish Andy, do you?
I'm not saying MW is the deepest division, i'm just saying LHW isn't either. I'd actually rate the divisions like this.
Rashad hasn't been dominating world beaters, he's beating up old dudes and scrubs.
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I never said that Rashad was a sure bet. I even agreed earlier that Silva would definitely have his chances to end the fight. But history has also shown that Silva has a harder time with wrestlers and I do not think that Silva is going to keep Rashad off of him all night.
I could see Silva winning for sure. But I could also see Rashad controlling where this fight would take place.
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01-31-2013, 02:27 PM
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It'd be an interesting fight, but for AS I think it's the best possible one. I think he just outclasses Rashad on every level and adds another amazing highlight reel win to his record. Best fight for him imo.
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01-31-2013, 02:28 PM
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Weidman is HUGE, I just rewatched the prelims for UFC on Fox 6 and when Bader beats Vlady, Chris comes up and stands with Bader and completely dwarfs him. I really wonder how much weight that dude cuts.
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Weidman looked pretty fat there but he is a big dude, he out-wrestled both Bader and Davis in college and walks around at about 220.
It's pretty incredible he cut all that weight in 11 days and beat Maia, even if Maia did look terrible, guy's an animal. |
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01-31-2013, 02:37 PM
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I never said that Rashad was a sure bet. I even agreed earlier that Silva would definitely have his chances to end the fight. But history has also shown that Silva has a harder time with wrestlers and I do not think that Silva is going to keep Rashad off of him all night.
I could see Silva winning for sure. But I could also see Rashad controlling where this fight would take place.
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It's hard to say that he's struggled with wrestlers when he's finished every single one of them though.
Well everyone since Jeremy Horn IIRC.
Rashad is good and i'd love to see the fight more than I would Weidman at this point but I believe he'd get put out in the 2nd round. |
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