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Old 02-01-2013, 01:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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You've gotta be joking. Dana didn't do any of those things out of the goodness of his heart. He cares about the bottomline for his business, that's it, and he has made massive amounts of money off the business relationship he had with Randy. Dana's loyalty extends as far as the black ink on his ledgers and the signatures on his contracts. He's mad because he hates competition and the idea of anyone promoting competitors. That's nothing but cold hard business logic. Why on earth should Randy be expected to act any differently?

You clearly have no sort of basic understanding of etiquette regarding employee/employer relationships. No shit Dana didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart, that's irrelevant.


The UFC and Randy manufactured a long-standing mutual working relationship where one party was basically treated better than 99 percent of his co-workers despite not exactly being the biggest draw ever(GSP, Lesnar, Chuck, Tito etc...all bigger draws) and he shows his appreciation by constantly sticking it to them.


As far as questioning Dana's loyalty to black ink, that's outright absurd. Do you really ******* think guys like Chuck Liddell and Matt ******* Hughes are the most qualified guys for MANAGEMENT positions in the UFC? Or how about the fact that guys who were nowhere near superstardom like Kenny are employed with the UFC after their careers are over...or guys like Griffin and Bonnar are given big fights and pretty much have a lifetime guaranteed job. Randy himself was shown incredibly loyalty by getting huge main event fights over and over again long after he was relevant. What did Couture-Coleman do, what 350k? Yet he still got a ME slot and PPV revenue out of a ******* joke of a fight.



I don't blame Randy, but the guy's a dick. That'd be like if my company made all kinds of concessions for me to keep my job when I breached policy, always gave me flexibility with my hours, gave me more hours when I wanted it and generally tried to make my employment as enjoyable as possible in exchange for my rare skillset and I rewarded them by trying to stick it to them at every opportunity.

Randy's a joke.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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You clearly have no sort of basic understanding of etiquette regarding employee/employer relationships. No shit Dana didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart, that's irrelevant.


The UFC and Randy manufactured a long-standing mutual working relationship where one party was basically treated better than 99 percent of his co-workers despite not exactly being the biggest draw ever(GSP, Lesnar, Chuck, Tito etc...all bigger draws) and he shows his appreciation by constantly sticking it to them.


As far as questioning Dana's loyalty to black ink, that's outright absurd. Do you really ******* think guys like Chuck Liddell and Matt ******* Hughes are the most qualified guys for MANAGEMENT positions in the UFC? Or how about the fact that guys who were nowhere near superstardom like Kenny are employed with the UFC after their careers are over...or guys like Griffin and Bonnar are given big fights and pretty much have a lifetime guaranteed job. Randy himself was shown incredibly loyalty by getting huge main event fights over and over again long after he was relevant. What did Couture-Coleman do, what 350k? Yet he still got a ME slot and PPV revenue out of a ******* joke of a fight.



I don't blame Randy, but the guy's a dick. That'd be like if my company made all kinds of concessions for me to keep my job when I breached policy, always gave me flexibility with my hours, gave me more hours when I wanted it and generally tried to make my employment as enjoyable as possible in exchange for my rare skillset and I rewarded them by trying to stick it to them at every opportunity.

Randy's a joke.
Randys far from a dick and a joke. Your whole opinion of him is based on what Dana white says, and you should know by now he says something different on any given day.
Chuck toed the line so did hughes, the company line, now they have jobs with the company.
Randy and Tito fought for better pay and two guys that are businessmen in their own right now. They knew they were getting fuc*ed and fought for themselves which they have every right to.
To call a guy like couture who fought for so long at such a high level, took on guys far bigger then him, and won matches against the odds, multiple world champ, a joke is not right dude. You should have a bit of respect for him and not believe every piece of drivel that comes out of Danas mouth
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Dana is obviously a little baby about things and always wants things his way. He is a powerful man who is used to most things going in his favor.

That said, on the outside looking in it seems like a dick move by Randy. After the UFC gave Couture fights like Toney and Mark Coleman. And gimmie title fights left and right.

Would be one thing if Randy wanted to fight still and could only find fights other places. But he is resorting to coaching on a show that will get small ratings? In a company he has never been associated with? "here's Randy Couture, long time staple with the UFC ready to coach you Bellator fighters" Seems odd. I doubt Randy is getting paid that great for a coaching gig on a smaller promotion. Maybe they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Seems like he is just sticking it to Dana though.
Bellator is owned by Viacom, Randy is making a nice chunk of change on this.


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Randys far from a dick and a joke. Your whole opinion of him is based on what Dana white says, and you should know by now he says something different on any given day.
Chuck toed the line so did hughes, the company line, now they have jobs with the company.
Randy and Tito fought for better pay and two guys that are businessmen in their own right now. They knew they were getting fuc*ed and fought for themselves which they have every right to.
To call a guy like couture who fought for so long at such a high level, took on guys far bigger then him, and won matches against the odds, multiple world champ, a joke is not right dude. You should have a bit of respect for him and not believe every piece of drivel that comes out of Danas mouth
No my opinion is based on what Randy has done. Dana White hasnt even commented on it so **** off with your condescending, presumptuous horseshit.


It's hilarious to me that just because he puts on the whole humble act that people suck his dick while acting like Rampage is the scum of the Earth. Maybe Rampage should dress up in white face and put on a smile and everyone will think he's a hero while he cheats on his three wives.


You realize Randy LOST in court? You know why? Because he blatantly lied about how much money he was making. He was one of the first guys in the UFC to make millions of dollars per fight with PPV revenue and it's ******* pathetic to act like he was some kind of martyr for fighters everywhere.

What a joke.
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Dana is also notoriously fickle and I suspect if Randy were to terminate the bellator agreement tonight and take any job at all under the Zuffa umbrella Dana would be licking his nuts again. It's almost like's he's pissed that Randy is both a competent fighter AND a capable businessman just like Dana. Boohoo.
Dana is a control freak is more or less what it comes down to. And that's fine, because that's what you need to be to do what Dana's done in growing the sport. When Dana doesn't have control over something he flips out and loses his shit (see Jon Fitch image rights and threatening to ban every AKA fighter over it) and this is no different. Randy can more or less write his own ticket these days and whatever he wants, which annoys the hell out of Dana. So he's flipping his shit again.
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You clearly have no sort of basic understanding of etiquette regarding employee/employer relationships. No shit Dana didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart, that's irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant because otherwise loyalty also becomes irrelevant. Why should anyone feel obligation to be loyal when the entire relationship is calculated business that only exists as long as their is mutually appreciated benefit for each party?

I think I understand employer/employee relationships pretty well. I've been a contracted employee and I've had bosses that deserved loyalty. They didn't act like Dana, turning instantly on anyone who wasn't an active or likely potential revenue source, and god forbid they should take a contract with the competition, lol. I don't think this makes Dana horrible, but it is the type of business he does.


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The UFC and Randy manufactured a long-standing mutual working relationship where one party was basically treated better than 99 percent of his co-workers despite not exactly being the biggest draw ever(GSP, Lesnar, Chuck, Tito etc...all bigger draws) and he shows his appreciation by constantly sticking it to them.


As far as questioning Dana's loyalty to black ink, that's outright absurd. Do you really ******* think guys like Chuck Liddell and Matt ******* Hughes are the most qualified guys for MANAGEMENT positions in the UFC? Or how about the fact that guys who were nowhere near superstardom like Kenny are employed with the UFC after their careers are over...or guys like Griffin and Bonnar are given big fights and pretty much have a lifetime guaranteed job. Randy himself was shown incredibly loyalty by getting huge main event fights over and over again long after he was relevant. What did Couture-Coleman do, what 350k? Yet he still got a ME slot and PPV revenue out of a ******* joke of a fight.



I don't blame Randy, but the guy's a dick. That'd be like if my company made all kinds of concessions for me to keep my job when I breached policy, always gave me flexibility with my hours, gave me more hours when I wanted it and generally tried to make my employment as enjoyable as possible in exchange for my rare skillset and I rewarded them by trying to stick it to them at every opportunity.

Randy's a joke.
He was only treated that way because it was a huge selling point for the UFC, which is the point you seem to be missing when you dismiss the fact that Dana was only promoting Randy for the money. You can't have it both ways, either Dana coddled Randy because he's just a sweet person and thus Randy owes him for showing all that goodwill, or he did it because it made business sense, Randy was a powerful draw that made them a lot of money, and thus Randy doesn't really owe him anything at all because the mutual benefit was contained and limited within the contracts they had.

Dana bringing on Hughes and Chuck? Um, yeah, he's doing it because its good business. They are draws and big news even not fighting. This happens in other sports all the time with popular retired competitors. Howie Long? John Madden? It's a smart business decision that utilizes their established name to bring in viewers, legitimacy, and revenue.
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Yea maybe. In a desperate attempt maybe. Thats why I said maybe they made him an offer he couldn't turn down. As in he couldn't believe they would give him so much for a coaching gig that is on Spike TV.

Not sure why Bellator thinks a UFC retired fighter coaching will make people want to watch the fights more. Yea maybe the season gets a small boost. But how many people are saying they will tune in because Randy will be coaching fighters on a show. You could go to youtube and watch him coach fighters.

Randy must be all about the $$$, he's never been that shy about it.
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Yea maybe. In a desperate attempt maybe. Thats why I said maybe they made him an offer he couldn't turn down. As in he couldn't believe they would give him so much for a coaching gig that is on Spike TV.

Not sure why Bellator thinks a UFC retired fighter coaching will make people want to watch the fights more. Yea maybe the season gets a small boost. But how many people are saying they will tune in because Randy will be coaching fighters on a show. You could go to youtube and watch him coach fighters.

Randy must be all about the $$$, he's never been that shy about it.
Agreed he won't even fight after the season is over like on TUF, seems like its a bit pointless.


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