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View Poll Results: Do you think Vitor is nn TRT?

Yes, he is using it in his old age as a fighter to gain an advantage and it's disgusting 17 37.78%
Yes, he is but it's legal so who cares? 20 44.44%
No, his phyqiue is a testament to hard work, dedication and the Dolce diet 5 11.11%
No, and who cares if he is, it's legal 3 6.67%
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:07 PM   #22 (permalink)
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his response says it all
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:24 AM   #23 (permalink)
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It's blatantly obvious that TRT is a PED.

The fact that this question is being asked just shows how asinine the legality of it is.

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Repped you for that line, because as I said in my rep, I just laughed out loud reading that and co-workers are staring at me like I'm an oddball.





I agree wholeheartedly! I voted he is on it but don't care as long as he is within the limits and if they ever do a random test and he's still within the limits at all times, I don't have an issue with it. But I hate the fact he avoids the question like a damn panzy, grow some balls already, unless the TRT shrivlled them up. I just don't like the way he's constantly dodging the question becasue it makes him look so much worse.

Also, all the fighters who are bashing the older guys for using TRT, I would love to see those young bucks at the end of their careers in their late 30's or possibly very early 40's and see if they are still tooting that horn. I have a feeling most of them won't be bashing it as vehemently as they are now.
You act like just because it's logical that fighters can't have principles.


For that matter they might as well just hook up with Conte and do roids if the principles behind it didn't matter...or just get a TRT exemption right now.

Todd Duffee uses the shit and he was like 25 when he started.

Also MMA careers don't and shouldn't last until "late 30s, early 40s" and no serious contact sport should.
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It's blatantly obvious that TRT is a PED.

The fact that this question is being asked just shows how asinine the legality of it is.



You act like just because it's logical that fighters can't have principles.


For that matter they might as well just hook up with Conte and do roids if the principles behind it didn't matter...or just get a TRT exemption right now.

Todd Duffee uses the shit and he was like 25 when he started.

Also MMA careers don't and shouldn't last until "late 30s, early 40s" and no serious contact sport should.
^This

But also I don't believe Vitor is on TRT. I believe in his interview he was refusing to judge others because he's been on roids in the past and doesn't feel like he has the right to judge others. Not because he's on TRT himself.

His physique is good but not Gorilla good, and at 35 it's not impossible for him to perform at the levels he's performing at.
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It's blatantly obvious that TRT is a PED.

The fact that this question is being asked just shows how asinine the legality of it is.



You act like just because it's logical that fighters can't have principles.


For that matter they might as well just hook up with Conte and do roids if the principles behind it didn't matter...or just get a TRT exemption right now.

Todd Duffee uses the shit and he was like 25 when he started.

Also MMA careers don't and shouldn't last until "late 30s, early 40s" and no serious contact sport should.
If I had it my way, I would ban TRT, with or without an exemption. But because the UFC allows their fighters to use it with a "doctors note" and that said fighter follows all the rules and regulations, I myself can't hold the fighter accountable.

The UFC should be the ones stepping up and setting the proper standards in my opinion, and until that happens I won't give two shits if someone is on TRT.
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He probably is on TRT. But..., if he does it legally, who the **** cares? He's obviously within the legal limits, so..., it doesn't matter. Yes, TRT is a PED, but so is caffeine, and TRT is a legit medical application, so it's god damn retarded to bitch and moan about how TRT is a PED. However, I truly feel that if you are in a sport that forces you to be an elite athlete and you can't do that by yourself anymore, then it's time to quit.
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If I had it my way, I would ban TRT, with or without an exemption. But because the UFC allows their fighters to use it with a "doctors note" and that said fighter follows all the rules and regulations, I myself can't hold the fighter accountable.

The UFC should be the ones stepping up and setting the proper standards in my opinion, and until that happens I won't give two shits if someone is on TRT.

TRT doesn't need to be banned there are actually unhealthy people that need to use it to compete.

I have yet to see this case in MMA, most of them are just older guys or used steroids in the past or cut too much weight, and on top of it, they abuse it.

They use it just like any other PED where they admittedly cycle down on fight day but reap the benefits of super human training and preparation.


The idea that I shouldn't care that a guy like Nate Marquardt who used steroids and messed up his body, is basing his "innocence" on the fact that his extremely high T/E levels are trending downward and will be normal on fight time is literally hilarious. He admits that he's cheating the system and they actually unsuspend him for it.
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doesn't the athletic commission control all of this? not the UFC
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TRT doesn't need to be banned there are actually unhealthy people that need to use it to compete.

I have yet to see this case in MMA, most of them are just older guys or used steroids in the past or cut too much weight, and on top of it, they abuse it.

They use it just like any other PED where they admittedly cycle down on fight day but reap the benefits of super human training and preparation.


The idea that I shouldn't care that a guy like Nate Marquardt who used steroids and messed up his body, is basing his "innocence" on the fact that his extremely high T/E levels are trending downward and will be normal on fight time is literally hilarious. He admits that he's cheating the system and they actually unsuspend him for it.
You've made a few valid points and by agreeing with them I am literally contradicting my stance of not caring that they are on TRT in the first place.

Your last paragraph about Nate is a very good point but it strengthens my view that it should be banned. Using TRT leaves too many unanswered questions as to the main reason a fighter needs it. (Prior PED abuse, old age, a naturally unhealthy person...or a combo of all of the above.) As you mentioned, most of the guys who are on it were past users who abused one substance or another or fighters that are way past their primes. For example, I am a die hard Dan Henderson fan, and I don't consider him a cheater for taking TRT and remaining within the allowed limits, but in the spirit of pure competition, he should not be fighting anymore.

So this whole TRT thing is a clusterf**K in all seriousness. I am okay with it if a fighter stays within the limits and does not abuse it, but at the same time I'm against it because as I mentioned earlier it really leaves too many unanswered questions and therefore, I think it should be ""

Now for some wishful thinking.
I wish we could find out how many fighters on TRT today in MMA, are fighters who genuinely have never abused any PEDS and are not past their primes by 5 or 7 years into their very late 30's and early 40's. I'd be willing to bet the number would be close to nil.
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