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Meh, Overeem hardly looked to be a 'shell' of his former self.

The Reem who fought Fabricio looked ten times worse and I'm pretty certain he was on the juice then. Overeem looked fine in the first two rounds and controlled Big Foot rather easily, despite fighting like an arrogant jackass. People are reaching... the only thing different about Overeem this last weekend was that he left his jaw five feet out. I doubt he'll do the same in future.
Won't matter. He's in a league now where he's going to get punched and taken to the ground. The guy can't fight past 10 minutes.
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I admire your psychic abilities, but I'll wait for his next fight before I decide where he ranks. Beating up and controlling Big Foot before being caught by punches that shocked everyone isn't enough for me to close the book on Overeem just yet.
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I admire your psychic abilities, but I'll wait for his next fight before I decide where he ranks. Beating up and controlling Big Foot before being caught by punches that shocked everyone isn't enough for me to close the book on Overeem just yet.
Beating up Bigfoot? Was Bigfoot even hurt once? Dude, you are drinking warm stale kool-aid. Overeem did zero damage. Bigfoot was overflowing with energy in the 3rd round, like Thor with lightning striking his hammer. I've never seen someone of that size throw a flurry like that.

Overeem basically pulled a Shane Carwin. He went as hard as he could for 2 rounds and just about couldn't come out for round 3. Can you image him in there with Cain? Can you imagine him taking shots from JDS?

Right now he's in the league of Kongo, Struve and Big Nog and I'm not sure he's beating them either.
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The flip-side is this win maybe exposes how much hype was behind Brock. Was Brock ever 100% after his surgery? Did people just buy into the Overroid hype train because he beat some "damaged goods" (the former HW poster-boy) -- all while AO was likely juiced up? I'm thinking there is some truth to this, considering it was a knee to the gut that AO used to stop Brock.

AO did look flat at the weigh-ins -- I don't need to see it from the same "angle and lighting" to make that observation. However he could have cut less weight, and not have been as dehydrated either. Getting extra water weight out of your body makes you look more ripped...

I agree with you 100% though -- there's an asterisk beside every one of his wins in my eyes.
I know a guy who had Brock's same illness. He said it took him 2-3 years to recover and was never 100%. Brock was never the same after that illness. Couture would have demolished him in a rematch.

The sad thing is, we'll never know just how far he could have gone. I do think the old Brock would have taken Overeem down and worn him out, but there's no way of knowing.
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Big Foot got worked over and controlled those entire first two rounds. There's really no debating that. And the reason Overeem came out weary in round three is because he ate a knee from Big Foot in the closing seconds of the second round. Many people speculate that said knee actually set Reem up for that barrage of punches.

Try watching and following the actual fight before you accuse anyone of drinking 'kool aid'.
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no doubt that he is not as cut
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Big Foot got worked over and controlled those entire first two rounds. .....
Thank you I got a good belly laugh out of that. Overeem's ground work was so pathetic they got stood up. The guy had nothing to even phase Bigfoot. He made Sonnen's gnp look brutal.
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People who use his performance against Brock as the measuring stick probably haven't seen a lot of his fights.

It's a perfectly reasonable measuring stick for a number of reasons;

1. The two fights were back-to-back (although 1 year apart due to his suspension). It's tough to compare a non-roided 32 year old AO, to a mid-20s (likely roided up) PRIDE version.

2. Looking back - Brock's health certainly raises some eyebrows and questions.

3. The obvious factor that AO was on roids vs. Brock, and wasn't for this fight.

The book is essentially closed for AO for me. Can he handle some mid-range heavyweights? Probably, but I don't see him living up to the hype as a contender for the belt.
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It's a perfectly reasonable measuring stick for a number of reasons;

1. The two fights were back-to-back (although 1 year apart due to his suspension). It's tough to compare a non-roided 32 year old AO, to a mid-20s (likely roided) up PRIDE version.

2. Looking back - Brock's health certainly raises some eyebrows and questions.

3. The obvious factor that AO was on roids vs. Brock, and wasn't for this fight.

The book is essentially closed for AO for me. Can he handle some mid-range heavyweights? Probably, but I don't see him living up to the hype.
In my view the post-surgury Brock loses to even a non-steroided Overeem. I also believe the pre-illness/surgury Brock beats even a roided up younger Overeem.
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He looks like he has more water-weight in the 156 pic. Who knows if that's just the way his cut went, or if him trying to be clean(er) has changed his physique.

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