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Old 02-04-2013, 06:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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It's a perfectly reasonable measuring stick for a number of reasons;

1. The two fights were back-to-back (although 1 year apart due to his suspension). It's tough to compare a non-roided 32 year old AO, to a mid-20s (likely roided up) PRIDE version.

2. Looking back - Brock's health certainly raises some eyebrows and questions.

3. The obvious factor that AO was on roids vs. Brock, and wasn't for this fight.

The book is essentially closed for AO for me. Can he handle some mid-range heavyweights? Probably, but I don't see him living up to the hype as a contender for the belt.
I respectfully disagree. People saying, 'Well, he fought like a raging bull against Brock and was a bit sluggish against Silva, so he must have nothing left' are mistaken. This same scenario played out in SF. He fought like a raging bull against Rogers and then put on an absolutely terrible, slow performance against Fabricio. The point is that Overeem has never had one speed. He's been slow and plodding. And he's been fast and deadly. In that respect, the Brock fight is not 'the' measuring stick. Basing a man's future on one fight is silly to begin with, especially when he was winning said fight, but to each their own.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:18 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I respectfully disagree. People saying, 'Well, he fought like a raging bull against Brock and was a bit sluggish against Silva, so he must have nothing left' are mistaken. This same scenario played out in SF. He fought like a raging bull against Rogers and then put on an absolutely terrible, slow performance against Fabricio. The point is that Overeem has never had one speed. He's been slow and plodding. And he's been fast and deadly. In that respect, the Brock fight is not 'the' measuring stick. Basing a man's future on one fight is silly to begin with, especially when he was winning said fight, but to each their own.
You make a good point -- if you are right that just means he's not capable of performing consistently against top level opponents.

He's not going to get very far in the UFC HW division if he comes out flat every other fight. There's too many guys that will repeat Silva's performance.
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Speaking strictly about his physique, it's clear that his muscle is not nearly as lean or defined.

He mentioned in his documentary at the commission hearing regarding his past failed test, that he had gained 9 pounds and referred to it as 'getting bigger'. By getting bigger I assume he means getting fatter because he clearly didn't add muscle based on the pictures.
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Judging by the Ariannymeter he is clearly not as impressive as before.

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It could be lighting, an illusion, or psychological factors in play, but I too thought he was less defined. After reading the Mirko interview maybe it's true. Question is how much did "PED" effect it "if" he was truly on it. I mean if he loses his next two or three fights then we got a problem here. Otherwise he wasn't owning/dominating, but he was certainly beating and winning Big Foot without a doubt.

R1: Octagon control, clinch ala Randy Couture style, with knees

R2: A sweet reverse throw in the clinch. Lots of body shots. Here's what I didn't understand. Usually when Overeem has someone in the top position with the exception of Werdum he looks for the submission OR he throws bombs.

- maybe he was conserving energy
- toying with BF

All he had to do was takedown BF in the 3rd round. So, I think if they ever rematched that would be the game plan. He's obviously significantly stronger. Take em down and GNP for all three or go for the TKO. He really opened up a can of worms with this momentary set back. It's happened many times in sports where the athlete or opposing team took their opponents lightly and didn't FINISH! All that matters now is what he does with this loss.

- Chuck lost to Rampage in Pride and came back and did some ass whupping...that is until Rampage entered the UFC.
- Wand lost against Vitor badly and lost a close decision to Tito...THEN he went on a tear.
- Vitor has had a tumultuous career and now has experienced a late surge
- Lyoto had two MAJOR set backs then a minor blip in between with Rampage. Now he's back on track and I think will contend for the title soon again.
- even Fedor got back on track albeit with less than stellar competition after the SF debacle
- GSP vs Serra
- Maia resurgence at 170
- Big Foot is probably one of the best examples as well. Got DEMOLISHED by DC then Cain. Quite enjoyable btw. Then what does he do. He gets two solid wins and now he's in possible title contention after one more fight or heck can be a last minute replacement.

Everybody wins and loses eventually. No one stays on top forever. That is why I hope Anderson retires although I'd also like to see him fight forever...haha.
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