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Old 02-05-2013, 04:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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No, it really, really wasn't. I hate that myth. Even when it got busted it still lives on. Makes me sick.
Agreed. Brock was always Brock. The signs were always there. People need to wake up to that fact.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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No, it really, really wasn't. I hate that myth. Even when it got busted it still lives on. Makes me sick.
ya me too. Brock was exactly the same as before. he got outclassed due to skill in his last two fights. its just as annoying as people claiming overeem lost because he isnt on roids anymore. i guess it was the roided overeem that kicked bigfoots ass for two rounds

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Old 02-05-2013, 06:08 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Thinking Brock was the same after having major surgery and a serious disease is just plain ignorant. Does your premium membership allow you to be so ridiculous?
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:18 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Assuming there was something wrong when Brock himself said he was back to 100% is just plain stupid.

I had major surgery 2 years ago. Can I blame future athletic failings on that?

Brock fans are so blinded by their love for him that they fail to recognize the only difference between Brock pre and post op was who he was fighting. Brock went 1-1 with Mir and beat old man Couture. Brock had one legit win and he got it by hammer fisting Mir. Fast forward to post op and Brock faces Carwin, who he actually does well against.

So why did Brock do so well in the Carwin fight if his illness was affecting him oh so badly? Brock overcame adversity and an unbelievable amount of punishment from Shane to come back and win.

Guess Brocks illness only affects him when he loses (or maybe it was because Brock was a one trick pony, but hey I am pretty ridiculous, don't listen to me).
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Using that same logic one could say Carwin lost because of the pain (he later had surgery as well) he was having; not his lack of conditioning. Anyone else toking that pipe logic?
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Assuming there was something wrong when Brock himself said he was back to 100% is just plain stupid.

I had major surgery 2 years ago. Can I blame future athletic failings on that?

Brock fans are so blinded by their love for him that they fail to recognize the only difference between Brock pre and post op was who he was fighting. Brock went 1-1 with Mir and beat old man Couture. Brock had one legit win and he got it by hammer fisting Mir. Fast forward to post op and Brock faces Carwin, who he actually does well against.

So why did Brock do so well in the Carwin fight if his illness was affecting him oh so badly? Brock overcame adversity and an unbelievable amount of punishment from Shane to come back and win.

Guess Brocks illness only affects him when he loses (or maybe it was because Brock was a one trick pony, but hey I am pretty ridiculous, don't listen to me).
it's all nonsense, you think it is reasonable but it's pure nonsense. So what you had surgery, did you ever have part of your colon removed then get kicked their by Overeem 6 months later? Saying he's the same guy is freaking insane, he literally had 12 inches of tissue removed from his insides. No one here is talking about his performances, he always sucked at fighting, you're are just spewing ignorance and bias.
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All of these situational fighters are getting pretty ridiculous. If there was an 8 man tournament between Pre-illness Brock, unroided Reem, Second Rd Struve, K1 Maia, Fat and Out of shape Munoz, motivated Penn, Pre-Serra GSP,and Hashad 2.0, I'd put all of my money on The Shogun of PRIDE.
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All of these situational fighters are getting pretty ridiculous. If there was an 8 man tournament between Pre-illness Brock, unroided Reem, Second Rd Struve, K1 Maia, Fat and Out of shape Munoz, motivated Penn, Pre-Serra GSP,and Hashad 2.0, I'd put all of my money on The Shogun of PRIDE.

When is that card coming... I want the PPV!!
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Thing is, Reem, as overrated as I think he is, destroys Brock, who was equally overrated. You put Brock in Silva's place in the last fight, there is no 3rd round. Hell, I'd be shocked if it made it out of round 1.
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it's all nonsense, you think it is reasonable but it's pure nonsense. So what you had surgery, did you ever have part of your colon removed then get kicked their by Overeem 6 months later? Saying he's the same guy is freaking insane, he literally had 12 inches of tissue removed from his insides. No one here is talking about his performances, he always sucked at fighting, you're are just spewing ignorance and bias.
So how on earth can you attribute being beaten down by the current HW champion Cain to a medical issue if you think he always sucked? What would have been different had it been pre-surgery if you acknowledge the skill wasn't there in the first place? You are simply creating a correlation between two events and ignoring the simplest explanation, which I highlighted in your post.

And you still haven't explained how this post surgery Lesnar was able to survive an onslaught from Carwin and go on to win in the second.

Look, i'm not trying to argue he was literally not affected by his illness and surgery. I'm sure he was. But to automatically make a correlation between his performances post surgery is silly, especially when Lesnar stated he was 100%. Add to that Lesnar did well versus Carwin and i'm not even sure why anyone argues about this. I would say Carwin was the best win of Lesnar's career, and that was his first fight back. I again acknowledge that the surgery must have affected him, but he came back and won.
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