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Old 02-05-2013, 08:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Are we talking pre-illness or post-illness Brock.....

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getting a little of topic here lol...

i think overeem lost abit of his confidence not knowing he was on the juice. cro cop mentioned the same thing and he definately looked less defined at the weigh ins. and i think he may of lost a bit of his strength and ferociousness.

would it of made a difference to the outcome of the fight with brock.. dont know. maybe, maybe not
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How can you say he lost confidence? Overeem was clowning him in round one and two, he was so overconfident in round three that...well..you saw what he did. Overeem underestimated Bigfoot's striking and got ktfo. I don't understand how that can be attributed to ped use. The roids didn't make his chin stronger and ego smaller.
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If the fight happens at the same time, Lesnar still loses. Shots to his midsection after the illness would always have been a mental thing if not physical. Brock post Carwin? I think Brock stands a chance at least.
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Reem's strength and power seemed no different to me in the Silva fight, he still pushed him away like nothing, worked him against the fence and controlled him on the ground.
Reem's problem in this fight was lack of respect and clashing with Silva head first in the third. YOU DO NOT PLAY BUMPER CARS WITH SOMEONE WHO'S HEAD IS THAT BIG.
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I mean every time I see him I really feel like he's going to fall over. I really wonder how he keeps his equilibrium.
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Brock never could take a shot, pre or post illness. See how he reacted to the jumping knee Mir threw at him in their second fight. He completely crumples for a second before gripping that single leg for dear life and taking the fight to the ground. Brock was never good at taking a punch and refused to allow people to spar hard with him. His training routines consisted of lifting weights and wrestling.

Overeem would have demolished him either way. In the Bigfoot fight he was still the stronger of the two fighters, every time they clinched he was in clear control. Notice how he always managed to turn Silva into the fence and never ended up in a bad position. Alistair even threw Bigfoot like a child and maintained top-control for half a round. At the end of the day it was his game planning and lack of discipline that caused the loss, not because he was on or off any PEDs.
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That Jerry Maquire kid said that a human head weighs eight pounds. Here's a list of data you guys might find interesting.

Brock's head - 16 pounds
Overeem's " - 12 pounds
Rampage's " - 20 pounds
Big Foot's Orangutan head - 36 pounds

The winner, none of the above. It's actually Tito Ortiz' weighing in at a whopping 50 pounds. That's 25% of his body weight.

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I put Overeems loss to bigfoot down to nothing more than underestimating him. I dont think being off the roids had much effect and I think a Roided Reem would have still lost, going into that fight the way he did.

That being said, If Reem and Bigfoot were to fight 10 more times, I'd expect Reem to win 10 of them.
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I put Overeems loss to bigfoot down to nothing more than underestimating him. I dont think being off the roids had much effect and I think a Roided Reem would have still lost, going into that fight the way he did.
A roided Overeem might have won that fight. Not because of more strength, but because of higher aggression and less playing around.
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