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Old 02-04-2013, 07:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Brock Vs unroided Overeem? (same overeem that got KOd by bigfoot)

hi all

i've been really thinking the last few days since big foot violently knocked out Overeem.

and before i start, please to all the Brock haters; i am not saying he is the greatest heavyweight of all time nor am i trying to hype him up saying he was an elite martial artist...

however, had overeem not been juiced up to the shithouse against brock, would the out come of their NYE 2010 showdown had been any different?? what do you think?

go back to the Brock Vs overeem fight, to me it just looked as though brock was not able to match overeems strength and power. overeem was tossing brock around the cage like brock was one division below him. and before people jump in to say Cain did the same, Cain used world class technique and skill to beat brock. where as overeem was just too strong. those viscious knees and so effortlessly being able to keep brock against the fence... like he just seemed so strong and powerful. too strong..

against bigfoot overeem was definately not as strong. some might dismiss it as him being too cocky and not respecting bigfoot which i agree with, but surely he lost alot of his strength and possibly self beleif knowing he wasnt juiced...


purpose of this thread is to know if you guys think the outcome of that fight would of been significantly different if overeem wasnt juicing.

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Old 02-04-2013, 07:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm curious to see how long it takes before Reem goes back on the roids and gets caught again.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Roided Reem Vs Second Round Struve would be good.

But it would go the exact same. Reem was just exposed more in the Bigfoot fight. Brock wasn't looking to strike and was too scared to shoot for the take down. Bigfoot was getting the exact same treatment until he went out in that round and started throwing back. Reem on Roids is the same as Reem off Roids. Overbulked Reem is the guy featured in both of them.
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More to the point, I would like to have seen the fit Lesnar before his illnesses, go against Overeem. The Lesnar that fought Overeem was a shadow of the one that crushed Mir
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It was more psychological. The rookie Brock was the most dangerous.

1.) He's never been hit before.
2.) Ultra aggressive.
3.) Being that you're a rookie you tend to go with what you're best at. Take down and gnp immediately. He took down Frank Mir who's a black belt in BJJ. He didn't give a shit. Even after he got submitted he took em down again and pounded Mir's face in.

You can tell from the press conference and weigh ins. Brock was no longer the ultra cocky guy he once was.

- faces a life threatening disease
- got hit by Carwin and narrowly escaped that 1st round
- gets bashed by Cain
- goes through a second bout with the disease again

These are all moot points now. Alistair is a far better fighter than Brock and his weight + strength was nullified. Brock went for the takedown and Overeem didn't even move. He ran into a wall then subsequent knees. PEDs had nothing to do with especially since it ended in the 1st. If it were a back and forth match then yes it could have had a role.

Ultimately I'm almost certain the year long layoff was quite detrimental to his training regimen and momentum.
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Lesnar destroyed Miz on raw so you think he'd be able to beet overeem quite easily.
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It's not his body, it's his camp that is the problem. Overeem is still a world class fighter, he just needs a coach who will tell him to keep his f'ing hands up. Overeem had the fight in the bag and literally handed it to Bigfoot on a silver platter.

Standing in front of a 260 pound man trying to punch you with your hands down and chin up = nap time. Bigfoot is not a can, he isn't good enough to beat Cain but Saturday night was a simple case of a terrible camp filled with yes men telling him he's god. He needs a guy like Greg Jackson to yell at him "you're an idiot, keep your hands up, you are nothing until you win"
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Reem's strength and power seemed no different to me in the Silva fight, he still pushed him away like nothing, worked him against the fence and controlled him on the ground.

Reem's problem in this fight was lack of respect and clashing with Silva head first in the third. YOU DO NOT PLAY BUMPER CARS WITH SOMEONE WHO'S HEAD IS THAT BIG.
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Depends. Are we talking pre-illness Brock or post-illness Brock? (LL, get in here!)
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More to the point, I would like to have seen the fit Lesnar before his illnesses, go against Overeem. The Lesnar that fought Overeem was a shadow of the one that crushed Mir
No, it really, really wasn't. I hate that myth. Even when it got busted it still lives on. Makes me sick.
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