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post #271 of 336 (permalink) Old 02-25-2013, 09:09 AM
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I have no idea how anyone could have scored that fight for Hendo.
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post #272 of 336 (permalink) Old 02-25-2013, 09:27 AM
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You know who really won this fight? Jon Jones. Neither guy showed anything different, and you don't really expect Hendo to, but Lyoto really didn't. The same thing that caught Lyoto last time from Jones will catch him again, Lyoto still leaves his hands down. From the man Jack Slack himself:

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Jones switched to the same stance as Machida, faked a kick and connected a rear hook. This was possible due to Machida's non-punching hand being in no position to block - a bad habit from karate that he shows routinely. (G) It is likely that Machida's arm in the counter against Bader would not have been in position to defend against the rear hook, and this is of great concern as the superman rear hook is a tactic Jones would likely use again. This was also not a one off event in the fight - Jones hit Machida with a hard rear hook on the jaw in the first round - showing not just how good Machida's chin is, but how open he is to this punch.



You will notice (in the gif) that Jones blocks Machida's punch because his non-punching hand is in position to defend, where Machida eats Jones' punch as he attempts his signature counter. Machida can get away with having his non-punching hand low when he is fighting in the opposite stance to his opponent (or open guard) due to his head being outside of their lead shoulder, as it was against Rashad Evans. (G)
During his exchanges with Dan the hand was still too low. Against someone with as much power as Dan you figure that hand would actually come up.
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Where's the gif? WHERE IS THE GIF?!!!
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Nope, Henderson massively out landed Machida:

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/02/...icial-ufc.html

As I said earlier, Hendo's leg kicks were the most significant and clean strikes of the fight. Apparently baby leg kicks from Carlos Condit for five rounds can win you fights and that's fine, but powerful leg kicks where you lift your entire opponents leg up from the ground and lobster it up bad don't count.

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Not to mention the fact that Machida had zero aggression and octagon control.
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I've brought up FightMetric a bunch of times - when people agree with it it's a "Very credible source."

On the other hand, when people disagree it's "A piece of unreliable crap."

I scored the fight for Machida, so did FightMetric and he also outlanded Hendo in significant strikes. Neither man was impressive here, but Machida was less crap than Hendo this time out.




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Fight metric is simply a tool used to demonstrate which fighter landed the most strikes.

Any "significant strikes" or other judging criteria on that website is entirely subjective and opinionated. How exactly are they measuring the significant strikes? It's their subjective opinion.

How ever, it is good to measure which fighter landed the more strikes, and that fighter was clearly Dan Henderson.

Now in my opinion, those leg kicks Dan landed were the most significant and clean strikes of the entire fight, but I highly doubt fight metric would have listed them as significant strikes.

It was a terrible performance from both men, but I still think Dan Henderson deserved to get the nod at the end.
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I've brought up FightMetric a bunch of times - when people agree with it it's a "Very credible source."

On the other hand, when people disagree it's "A piece of unreliable crap."

I scored the fight for Machida, so did FightMetric and he also outlanded Hendo in significant strikes. Neither man was impressive here, but Machida was less crap than Hendo this time out.
I scored it 29-28 for machida. But Hendo wasn't crap. It was a terrible matchup for him. Machida can karate point fight anyone not named Jon Jones and win a split decision. He was only slightly more aggressive here than he was vs. Rampage in teh first 2 rounds. I figured the idiot who lost that one because he was so in active for 2 rounds would have smartened up. But he is SOOOOOO afraid to be hit that he tried to fight basically the same way. I don't respect that.
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I scored it 29-28 for machida. But Hendo wasn't crap. It was a terrible matchup for him. Machida can karate point fight anyone not named Jon Jones and win a split decision. He was only slightly more aggressive here than he was vs. Rampage in teh first 2 rounds. I figured the idiot who lost that one because he was so in active for 2 rounds would have smartened up. But he is SOOOOOO afraid to be hit that he tried to fight basically the same way. I don't respect that.
Yeah I have no respect for how Machida "fought". The fight sucked because Machida didn't want to fight. Of course it's easy to land a counter if you never throw first. All you do is kick when he comes in and back up some more. That's fighting? It was a cowardly performance. I hate The Running Man fighting style. Not nearly as cool as the dance.
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I also don't think his cool kicks landed as much as people seem to think. Everyone says well Hendo has such a chin he didn't feel those. No, when Shogun hit Dan hard...Dan felt them. Machida hardly even hit Dan with those kicks, they did not have a lot of power on them because he was throwing them from such a distance that he could barley reach Dan.

Either way, terrible match making from the UFC. Can't believe people were so hyped for this. Stylistically it was as bad as it gets. Rashad/Machida 2 and Hendo/Lil Nog 2 would have been better.
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Yeah I have no respect for how Machida "fought". The fight sucked because Machida didn't want to fight. Of course it's easy to land a counter if you never throw first. All you do is kick when he comes in and back up some more. That's fighting? It was a cowardly performance. I hate The Running Man fighting style. Not nearly as cool as the dance.
I think you should watch the fight again.
It wasn't that bad in the replay if you're no longer expecting it to be the brutal wild fest people were expecting in the 1st place.
I've watched it 3 times and honestly, i blame Dan that the fight wasn't any better. He just flat out only has one move.

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