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Lyoto Machida 44 64.71%
Dan Henderson 24 35.29%
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:44 AM   #301 (permalink)
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... Machida. The guy who ran for three rounds and landed approximately jack and shit with any power on it because it's hard to land when you're constantly moving backwards.
Ryan Bader disagrees.

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And those knees you mentioned? They didn't land with the knee.
Yeah, they did.
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They landed with the meat of his thigh.
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Go watch it again
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and you'll realize his great skillful counters didn't land.
They did. And that's why he won.

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Old 02-26-2013, 11:54 AM   #302 (permalink)
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You can post your little one line answers but that doesn't change what happened. Bader was not koed when Machida was moving backwards. Machida was planted when he threw that shot. I've watch the fight several times and those knees were not landing with the kneecap. At all. It was all slapping with the meat of his thigh because of how violently he was throwing himself backwards to avoid any kind of strike from Hendo.

Machida landed basically nothing for 3 rounds and should have lost. I absolutely don't understand how anyone educated on the fight game can say otherwise. Neither did any damage with strikes or were landing cleanly. It had to primarily be scored with aggression and octagon control. Give Machida Rd 1 for the trip. Hendo round 2 for aggression and control & round 3 for aggression, control, and the takedown.

It is literally the only real way to score the fight. Saying anything else is simply absurd.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:16 PM   #303 (permalink)
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You can post your little one line answers but that doesn't change what happened. Bader was not koed when Machida was moving backwards. Machida was planted when he threw that shot. I've watch the fight several times and those knees were not landing with the kneecap. At all. It was all slapping with the meat of his thigh because of how violently he was throwing himself backwards to avoid any kind of strike from Hendo.

Machida landed basically nothing for 3 rounds and should have lost. I absolutely don't understand how anyone educated on the fight game can say otherwise. Neither did any damage with strikes or were landing cleanly. It had to primarily be scored with aggression and octagon control. Give Machida Rd 1 for the trip. Hendo round 2 for aggression and control & round 3 for aggression, control, and the takedown.

It is literally the only real way to score the fight. Saying anything else is simply absurd.
Was just trying to illustrate that your opinion is like everyone else's: your perception of what happened.
It's isn't fact, and when you present it as such, it comes off as arrogant and arbitrary.

"Aggression" has to be modified by "effective" in order for it to score, mate.

When did Hendo score a TD? I seem to recall a tangle which ended with him on top for a bit doing zero damage.
Are you referring to that?

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Old 02-26-2013, 12:23 PM   #304 (permalink)
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Was just trying to illustrate that your opinion is like everyone else's: your perception of what happened.
It's isn't fact, and when you present it as such, it comes off as arrogant and arbitrary.

"Aggression" has to be modified by "effective" in order for it to score, mate.

When did Hendo score a TD? I seem to recall a tangle which ended with him on top for a bit doing zero damage.
Are you referring to that?

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At the end of the fight they were both credited with 1 take down.
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C'mon. Ugly fight indeed. Little to none action from both fighters. But really. Hendo never took Machida down, as above mentioned. Machida took him down cleanly by the end of the third. That was the only planned and well executed takedown of the match.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:28 PM   #306 (permalink)
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At the end of the fight they were both credited with 1 take down.
Yeah Machida said he tripped. I just watched the incident 3 times over and it looked like a takedown to me. Even if Machida did slip, it was during a Dans attempt at a TD.
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C'mon. Ugly fight indeed. Little to none action from both fighters. But really. Hendo never took Machida down, as above mentioned. Machida took him down cleanly by the end of the third. That was the only planned and well executed takedown of the match.
Machida did it at the end of the round and didn't do any damage with it. Dan didn't do anything from the top either but him being on top, whether you personally scored it a take down or not, was scored just the same as Machida's take down. Rightfully so.
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Machida did it at the end of the round and didn't do any damage with it. Dan didn't do anything from the top either but him being on top, whether you personally scored it a take down or not, was scored just the same as Machida's take down. Rightfully so.
That's fair enough, but didn't Lyoto actually hit him a couple of times after the TD's?

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That's fair enough, but didn't Lyoto actually hit him a couple of times after the TD's?

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Nothing clean that I remember. I think they both did equal damage with the take downs, that being no damage. Wasn't Hendo on top longer? Splitting hairs, I think they were both pretty equal and not really significant.
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Machida was on top for about 10 seconds and landed two huge shots as they landed.
Hendo was on top for quite a while, and landed a few body shots and a couple soft head punches, absolutely nothing of note.

I was actually pissed Machida didn't take it down again after the first round. He obviously could have taken it down again, removed the threat of the big right hand and made a dominant showing.
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