***OFFICIAL*** Georges St-Pierre vs. Nick Diaz Thread - Page 23 - MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos
UFC The Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) is a U.S.-based mixed martial arts organization, recognized as the largest MMA promotion in the world. The UFC is headquartered in Las Vegas, Nevada and is owned and operated by Zuffa, LLC. This promotion is responsible for solidifying the sport's postion in the history-books. UFC is currently undergoing a remarkable surge in popularity, along with greater mainstream media coverage. UFC programming can now be seen on FOX, FX, and FUEL TV in the United States, as well as in 35 other countries worldwide.

View Poll Results: Your prediction

Georges St-Pierre (c) 81 76.42%
Nick Diaz 25 23.58%
Draw 0 0%
Voters: 106. You may not vote on this poll

Reply

Old 03-13-2013, 01:10 AM   #221 (permalink)
Bantamweight
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 926
Buakaw_GSP is on another level nowBuakaw_GSP is on another level nowBuakaw_GSP is on another level nowBuakaw_GSP is on another level nowBuakaw_GSP is on another level nowBuakaw_GSP is on another level nowBuakaw_GSP is on another level nowBuakaw_GSP is on another level nowBuakaw_GSP is on another level nowBuakaw_GSP is on another level nowBuakaw_GSP is on another level now
Anyone forget that GSP only learned Wrestling when he came into MMA and never wrestled in College and became perhaps the best wrestler in the UFC? I will always respect fighters who trained so hard at things to be great at it. I will not respect fighters who whine about being taking down because they did not give a damn about putting the blood, sweat, and tears in. If you get wrestled****ed well thats your problem. GSP had work his ass off to be able to take guys down easily and keep em there.
Buakaw_GSP is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 03-13-2013, 02:43 AM   #222 (permalink)
Don't Sweat the Technique
 
St.Paul Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Duluth, MN
Posts: 1,660
St.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For Greatness
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrappleRetarded View Post
So you've got absolutely nothing to prove that GSP has this significant advantage over Diaz in the striking department because GSP doesn't even attempt to strike with the strikers. So please, what are you actually basing this significant striking advantage off? There's not a single fight to clearly indicate that GSP has a significant advantage over Diaz in the striking or BJJ departments, it's just from your assumptions.

If GSP was such a BJJ monster, he would have submitted Dan Hardy within two rounds (it took Chris Lytle ten seconds) and wouldn't have treated the octagon floor like a hot pool of lava from a sonic the hedgehog game when he was fighting Jake Shields.

GSP has a significant advantage over Diaz in the wrestling department. That is pretty much acknowledged by all. But claiming that GSP has some huge advantage over Diaz in the BJJ and striking departments is just absolutely ludicrous.



Jack Slack is a wee bit too biased for my liking and I don't rate him as a writer. You should do some MMAF blogs.
Look up definition of the word significant. It isn't a synonym for huge.

Like I said Matt Hughes is a better grappler than Diaz and GSP submitted him 6 years ago. He absolutely dominated BJ on ground. He didn't grapple with Shields because striking was a better route to victory.

Why exactly do you think Diaz is some great striker? He got dropped twice by Daley, lost 4/5 rounds to Condit, and was losing to BJ before he gassed.

Comparing two MMA fighters skills is always based on assumptions unless they've actually fought each other.

Both of their last fights were against the same guy. GSP won 5 rounds with a mixture of striking and grappling - Diaz lost 3 or 4 via striking.
__________________



Sig credit: MC

~ Lifetime Membership sponsored by RustyRenegade ~
St.Paul Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 02:49 AM   #223 (permalink)
You're not terribly important to me
 
UFC_OWNS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Sell me this pen
Posts: 14,451
Blog Entries: 1
UFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF Material
Quote:
Originally Posted by St.Paul Guy View Post
Look up definition of the word significant. It isn't a synonym for huge.

Like I said Matt Hughes is a better grappler than Diaz and GSP submitted him 6 years ago. He absolutely dominated BJ on ground. He didn't grapple with Shields because striking was a better route to victory.

Why exactly do you think Diaz is some great striker? He got dropped twice by Daley, lost 4/5 rounds to Condit, and was losing to BJ before he gassed.

Comparing two MMA fighters skills is always based on assumptions unless they've actually fought each other.

Both of their last fights were against the same guy. GSP won 5 rounds with a mixture of striking and grappling - Diaz lost 3 or 4 via striking.
They're not better grapplers because nick has better bjj then all of them easy and as for takedowns there better than nick but in a fight with gsp it doesn't matter because all of them got taken down anyways but didn't have good bottom game bjj to do anything about it and nick does, that's the difference right there.
__________________

Jim Norton
Nick Dipaolo
Dave Attell
Dave Chappelle
Bill Burr
Joey Diaz
Colin Quinn
Bob Kelly
Rich Vos
Patrice O'Neal
Louis CK


UFC_OWNS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 05:07 AM   #224 (permalink)
The Fun Police

 
Killz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: UK... Where the sun never shines.
Posts: 10,527
Blog Entries: 1
Killz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among Men
Genuine question. WIth the exception of Paul Daley, Who are all these elite strikers Nick has beaten at there own game?
__________________


"You see a mousetrap and I see free cheese and a f**king challenge" ~ Scroobius Pip

My Super FFL Team That Most Definitely Isn't Going to Come 2nd Last This Year!
Jose Aldo Carlos Condit Hector Lombard Edson Barboza Anthony 'Rumble' Johnson
Killz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 05:12 AM   #225 (permalink)
You're not terribly important to me
 
UFC_OWNS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Sell me this pen
Posts: 14,451
Blog Entries: 1
UFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF Material
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killz View Post
Genuine question. WIth the exception of Paul Daley, Who are all these elite strikers Nick has beaten at there own game?
Robbie lawler may not be elite but he isn't bad especially back then, bj penn you can see came out of shape but he didn't really he just got wore down quick with body shots unlike the rory fight where he didn't come in any shape at all and had no confidence he was gonna win, zaromskis is not that bad and he was battered, gomi was overwhelmed by nick like bj was and gassed from the pace and got smashed and chris lytle isn't too bad either and he beat him.

So there maybe they all aren't eite but there at least some pretty damn solid wins in the stand up and as you said daley is a good one mainly because he has never been finished with strikes bar nick.
__________________

Jim Norton
Nick Dipaolo
Dave Attell
Dave Chappelle
Bill Burr
Joey Diaz
Colin Quinn
Bob Kelly
Rich Vos
Patrice O'Neal
Louis CK


UFC_OWNS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 05:42 AM   #226 (permalink)
Bantamweight
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Florida
Posts: 531
TheReturn is on another level nowTheReturn is on another level nowTheReturn is on another level nowTheReturn is on another level nowTheReturn is on another level nowTheReturn is on another level nowTheReturn is on another level nowTheReturn is on another level nowTheReturn is on another level nowTheReturn is on another level nowTheReturn is on another level now
I think it's obvious whose strikings more likely to come out on top. I'm a huge fan of Diaz but if Gsp does one thing to throw him off his game he's going to just end up wasting time chasing or getting pot shotted like with Condit.
TheReturn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 07:40 AM   #227 (permalink)
Light Heavyweight
 
Danm2501's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: London, UK
Posts: 3,130
Danm2501 Is Beloved By AllDanm2501 Is Beloved By AllDanm2501 Is Beloved By AllDanm2501 Is Beloved By AllDanm2501 Is Beloved By AllDanm2501 Is Beloved By AllDanm2501 Is Beloved By AllDanm2501 Is Beloved By AllDanm2501 Is Beloved By AllDanm2501 Is Beloved By AllDanm2501 Is Beloved By All
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killz View Post
Genuine question. WIth the exception of Paul Daley, Who are all these elite strikers Nick has beaten at there own game?
Marius Zaromskis. Oh wait, it turned out Zaromskis was just good at highlight reel KO'ing cans in Japan (other than Sakurai, his only impressive win). And guess what? Just like Paul Daley, he rocked Diaz hard. Diaz recovered well, and ended up taking him out in the first round, but Zaromskis caught him with good shots a few times. Cyborg was smashing him with leg-kicks too, before stupidly deciding to take the fight to the ground and getting submitted instantly.

Diaz is a very good boxer, but he's never proven himself to be the world class striker some of the hardcore 209'ers make him out to be. Georges is a much more dynamic striker, and I imagine he'll take notes from the way Cyborg took away Nick's legs early on, and cream him with leg kicks. The only chance Nick has, is getting on the inside, and peppering Georges with shots, similar to Serra. However, Georges will have that gameplan covered, and has been working on that portion of his game relentlessly since Serra. I just don't see how Diaz wins this fight. Georges is a better all-round striker, a FAR better wrestler, and has the top game to negate Diaz's excellent Jiu Jitsu. Georges is taking this.
__________________
Proudly Supporting
Dan Hardy
Conor McGregor
Joe Lauzon
Ronda Rousey
Chael Sonnen
Mark Hunt
Daniel Cormier
Robbie Lawler
Danm2501 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 09:26 AM   #228 (permalink)
WEC For Life
 
HitOrGetHit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 18,015
Blog Entries: 13
HitOrGetHit has cheated the systemHitOrGetHit has cheated the systemHitOrGetHit has cheated the systemHitOrGetHit has cheated the systemHitOrGetHit has cheated the systemHitOrGetHit has cheated the systemHitOrGetHit has cheated the systemHitOrGetHit has cheated the systemHitOrGetHit has cheated the systemHitOrGetHit has cheated the systemHitOrGetHit has cheated the system
Nick hasn't beaten any elite striker outside of Daley. Zaromskis is a can crusher, Gomi and Lawler aren't elite strikers by any means whatsoever, they just have good power and aren't timid. Santos isn't even that good of a fighter period and BJ Penn is an awful welterweight.

I think Nick has some good boxing and I like this fight, but his boxing isn't nearly as omfg great as some people think.
__________________


"Don't be shocked that people die. Be surprised you're still alive."
HitOrGetHit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 09:39 AM   #229 (permalink)
You're not terribly important to me
 
UFC_OWNS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Sell me this pen
Posts: 14,451
Blog Entries: 1
UFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF MaterialUFC_OWNS Is Future HOF Material
Quote:
Originally Posted by HitOrGetHit View Post
Nick hasn't beaten any elite striker outside of Daley. Zaromskis is a can crusher, Gomi and Lawler aren't elite strikers by any means whatsoever, they just have good power and aren't timid. Santos isn't even that good of a fighter period and BJ Penn is an awful welterweight.

I think Nick has some good boxing and I like this fight, but his boxing isn't nearly as omfg great as some people think.
That's because you guys probably think of boxing as overrated things like footwork and head movement and angles when really its just about how many times can you hit someone and wear them down fast and thats what nick's style is and this isn't boxing so the other variables I mentioned don't work that well for effective like nick's style.
__________________

Jim Norton
Nick Dipaolo
Dave Attell
Dave Chappelle
Bill Burr
Joey Diaz
Colin Quinn
Bob Kelly
Rich Vos
Patrice O'Neal
Louis CK


UFC_OWNS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 09:42 AM   #230 (permalink)
The Fun Police

 
Killz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: UK... Where the sun never shines.
Posts: 10,527
Blog Entries: 1
Killz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among MenKillz Is A God Among Men
So first you couldn't provide any evidence of elite strikers that Nick has beaten, and now you are trying to re-write the definition of good boxing?

You crack me up owns. I hope Nick wins on saturday, just for you
__________________


"You see a mousetrap and I see free cheese and a f**king challenge" ~ Scroobius Pip

My Super FFL Team That Most Definitely Isn't Going to Come 2nd Last This Year!
Jose Aldo Carlos Condit Hector Lombard Edson Barboza Anthony 'Rumble' Johnson
Killz is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
Powered by vBulletin Copyright 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios