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post #271 of 580 (permalink) Old 03-13-2013, 05:40 PM
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Dude, as LOTS of others have posted, that was NOT good boxing technique.
True boxing isn't punching; it's landing your shots while ensuring you're in a position to make the other guy miss.

Winging wide arm-punches, with your chin wide open, while leading with your forehead, is the anithesis of boxing.

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THE cyborg clip shows him landing and timing several shots followed by a nice weave making cyborg's uppercut miss thoroughly. Sure, it may have not been traditional - but it was effective boxing.

ALSO, DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT WE'VE SEEN THE BEST OF DIAZ'S BOXING ?? OF COURSE NOT. Why would he put all of his focus on boxing when he knows that he has to be cautious of other type of strikes, clinches, and tAKEDOWNS. Use yer brainz.

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Dude, as LOTS of others have posted, that was NOT good boxing technique.
True boxing isn't punching; it's landing your shots while ensuring you're in a position to make the other guy miss.

Winging wide arm-punches, with your chin wide open, while leading with your forehead, is the anithesis of boxing.

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IF DIAZ WAS TESTED, he would box differenlty. When Diaz gets in that mode swinging wide arm-punches with no present defense it's because he knows what the other guy can do on his feet. Even Daley, who he underestimated....was ktfo. Bj-Penn, was shredded by nothing but hands.

Diaz would never be a great boxer until he worked on his movement. In terms of technique though, you get what you put in. Diaz's boxing would improve because believe it or not - he has the ability to adapt....except against wrestlers...thus far
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]Throwing a punch with one hand whilst your other hand is down by your hip is not good boxing technique by any stretch.[/B]

It was a good, well placed series of punches but technique wise, not great.


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Tell that to Anderson Silva then as well, tell him his boxing technique sucks. That can be a fighters style, to drop the hands in an effort to lure their opponents into punching range. Anderson Silva does it all the time, and so does Nick Diaz. Anderson drops his hands and relies on his matrix like head movement to evade any incoming strikes, whilst Nick knows he has a sturdy chin and is not afraid to take one to give one (or 10 in Nicks case lol).
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The problem for Nick Diaz is what happens when he runs into a technical striker who doesn't get sucked into his game. Against Daley, Cyborg, BJ, Zaromskis and several others he was able to get them to stand still and trade shots or pin them on the fence and work his magic.

In his fights against KJ Noons and Condit he was unable to do this and as a result his boxing was far less effective than normal. Condit & Noons were both able to stay off the fence and used footwork to avoid a slugging match with Diaz. Even in the 2nd Noons fight which Diaz won, he had a hard time getting his combos going and he ate a bunch of counters especially in the 2nd round. Noons kept moving and most of the time he remembered to circle to Diaz' lead side, it was when Diaz switched stances on him that sometimes ended up going the wrong way and eating punches in the exchange. The stance switch is something which Diaz should pull out on GSP to screw with his range & angles and score some freebie punches.

Another interesting thing I noticed from those fights is how open Diaz is for body shots. Noons had the patience & discipline to keep taking freebie shots at the body instead of going headhunting like the rest of Diaz' opponents. Condit also got a few freebies but he didn't commit to the body shots like Noons did.

With this in mind, I think GSP should commit to leg kicks to slow Diaz down and body shots for free points, and throw just enough head strikes to keep Diaz honest. Just keep working 2-3 hit combos on the legs & body, mix in a few to the head so Diaz doesn't cheat, then exit & reset. Keep doing it till Diaz loses his cool or the 25 minutes is up. It ain't pretty, but it's an easy low risk way to win.
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The problem for Nick Diaz is what happens when he runs into a technical striker who doesn't get sucked into his game. Against Daley, Cyborg, BJ, Zaromskis and several others he was able to get them to stand still and trade shots or pin them on the fence and work his magic.

In his fights against KJ Noons and Condit he was unable to do this and as a result his boxing was far less effective than normal. Condit & Noons were both able to stay off the fence and used footwork to avoid a slugging match with Diaz. Even in the 2nd Noons fight which Diaz won, he had a hard time getting his combos going and he ate a bunch of counters especially in the 2nd round. Noons kept moving and most of the time he remembered to circle to Diaz' lead side, it was when Diaz switched stances on him that sometimes ended up going the wrong way and eating punches in the exchange. The stance switch is something which Diaz should pull out on GSP to screw with his range & angles and score some freebie punches.

Another interesting thing I noticed from those fights is how open Diaz is for body shots. Noons had the patience & discipline to keep taking freebie shots at the body instead of going headhunting like the rest of Diaz' opponents. Condit also got a few freebies but he didn't commit to the body shots like Noons did.

With this in mind, I think GSP should commit to leg kicks to slow Diaz down and body shots for free points, and throw just enough head strikes to keep Diaz honest. Just keep working 2-3 hit combos on the legs & body, mix in a few to the head so Diaz doesn't cheat, then exit & reset. Keep doing it till Diaz loses his cool or the 25 minutes is up. It ain't pretty, but it's an easy low risk way to win.
KJ Noons also utilised excellent head movement to avoid a lot of Nicks combinations, it was the footwork and the elusive head movement which gave Nick a lot of problems in that second fight.

GSP definitely has the footwork to out manoeuvre Diaz, but we haven't really seen any decent head movement from him. He's quite robotic and stiff with his upper body and punches.

Like you said in other post, it comes down to which fighter is going to smartly use their gameplan to win the fight. I'm not sure how GSP is going to react when Diaz starts taunting him inside the cage and giving him the finger, that combined with a few combos landed by Diaz could completely knock GSP off focus.
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GSP definitely has the footwork to out manoeuvre Diaz, but we haven't really seen any decent head movement from him. He's quite robotic and stiff with his upper body and punches.
Agreed. If there's one thing I want to see GSP do it's to just loosen up and flow. He shouldn't look as stiff as he does after 10 years in the fight game, especially given that he started with a striking background in Karate. I don't expect Anderson Silva looseness & flow, but he can take some tips from Diaz, Hunt, or even Bendo. I think he should be up at Bendo's level at least, but he isn't.

I definitely want to see better head movement as well, but I don't know if it's something he's going to work on since he doesn't get hit in the head much to begin with.
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I think GSP will kick and circle. But Diaz will walk through the leg kicks like he did vs. Condit and Cyborg. He will still come forward. GSP will use his wrestling any time Diaz gets too close and starts backing him up he will change levels and take him down.

From there it gets fuzzier as to how they match up. GSP will be tough to sub from bottom. Especially if he doesn't open up with serious GnP.
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I think GSP will kick and circle. But Diaz will walk through the leg kicks like he did vs. Condit and Cyborg.
I think the big difference is GSP's ability to stick to a gameplan to a T. A lot of fighters stop leg kicks after the first round. If GSP's gameplan is to legkick and move I expect Diaz's leg to look like Faber's. Until he gets told different by his corner leg kicks will keep coming.
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Gsp could very well do what Condit did. He has a great lunging jab, and if he mixes in pitter patter kicks like Condit did, he could end up keeping Diaz at range all night.

If we see GSP circling and backpeddling the whole fight, i'm gonna be a sad fan of mma Saturday. I wanna see these guys scrap like Sanchez/Diaz, both hungry, both wanting a win, both wanting a finish, both looking to give the fans a show. I know one will for sure.

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I really hope Diaz wins the title but I just can't see how. I think he will get out classed in every area the fight goes.

Diaz..Edgar.. Cormier.. Cain.. Mir.. Overeem.. Jon Jones
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