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***OFFICIAL*** Georges St-Pierre vs. Nick Diaz Thread

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#1 ·
Welterweight bout: 170 pounds
Five round fight for the UFC Welterweight Championship

 
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#202 ·
It's not... I'm saying on Sunday if and when Diaz has been outstruck on the feet or (unlikely) submitted, the Diaz fans will have a million and one excuses.

Of course, GSP will probably wrestle him to a decision but I think he can, and hope he does, beat him in a stand up fight.
Many Diaz fans pick GSP to win a decision. As do I.

If GSP goes out there and puts it to Diaz standing I will give him a round of applause.

GSP thinks he is a better striker. His fans or crazy Diaz haters think he is as well. I'd love to see it.

If GSP makes it into a good real fight I will be happy.

I expect GSP to jab and kick then get a TD to secure rounds. It isn't an excuse, it is reality. It is what he does.

You and others may think it is an "excuse", but it will just be fans who didn't care for the fight or that style. If GSP goes and kicks the shit out of Diaz like he says he will do...there will be very few excuses Sunday.

Even GSP knows he can't finish Diaz.
 
#206 ·
Diaz has atrocious head movement. I think GSP can jab the shit out of him and won't even need to take him down. GSP still will take him down at some point to make sure he takes each round, but I don't think he is going to need to.

Diaz is a great puncher, but his head movement and footwork are average.
 
#212 ·
It's hard to say who has better striking or jiujitsu when comparing St. Pierre and Diaz. They both use very different styles. I think Nick's offensive jiujitsu game may be more effective than St. Pierre's, but I also think that Diaz is more likely to get submitted than St. Pierre.
When we're talking about striking, it's hard to say. I think St. Pierre's striking game is more diverse, he incorporates all different styles from boxing to muy thai in his arsenal and I don't think it's a question that St. Pierre has better defensive striking. Diaz uses his hands almost exclusively and while it may be unorthodox it's obviously effective and we've seen more results come from Diaz's striking than we have St. Pierre's.

I'm obviously a major Diaz hater. I despise the man and the image he represents and it's entirety. But I don't think there's a shot in hell that St. Pierre finishes Diaz. I think he'll jab and elbow him into oblivion, but Diaz is like a douchey terminator. Paul Daley proved that no matter how many times you hit him flush, he's still going to keep coming.
 
#214 ·
I won't comment on the grappling aspect since that's not my main area of knowledge, but the striking part is pretty interesting. In striking, Nick Diaz is a specialist, and by that I mean that when it's strictly boxing he's damn good at it and pretty much unmatched. If you trade punches with him you will not win.

However, boxing is only one part of striking, there's also kicks, knees, elbows, and most importantly, footwork to setup all the above. The last one is Diaz's main weakness along with kicks, and that is where GSP can take him apart if he's smart.

Diaz uses a very side-on and fairly upright boxing stance, this extends his reach and helps setup his lead strikes, but it also leaves him vulnerable to low kicks and takedowns. Diaz doesn't have fast footwork and the stance slows him down further when he's trying to turn to his right to chase or cut off an opponent. Note how Condit was able to spin away to Diaz' right and reset towards the center of the cage nearly every time he got backed into the fence. With a wider stance Diaz can use a lead hook to cut off an opponent who's stepping towards his right without moving his feet to reset his angle, this gives the opponent little time to get away. With his narrow side-on stance, Diaz has to reset his feet before he can throw a strike, and that's what gave Condit the time to get away from the fence.

There's no question that GSP has much faster footwork, and he's also shown great ring awareness in that he always controls the distance and stays away from the fence. He should have little problem circling to Diaz' right where he's safe since Diaz will have to punch across his own body to hit him. As I've learned from over 20 years of various striking based martial arts, you have no power or reach when throwing strikes across your body against someone who has the angle on you. You need to reset your feet first, and while you're doing that your opponent is taking free shots on you.

If GSP and his coaches are smart they're going to exploit this for all it's worth. Start with the left low kick to right cross left hook combo and exit to Diaz' right. Once Diaz starts picking up on that, start with a superman punch or right straight down the pipe and exit with a left leg kick. The footwork is very similar to the first combo. Next combo, right kick to the body, left hook to the body or head, exit. Every combo starts with very similar footwork and exits to Diaz' right. There's nothing fancy and they all use strikes that GSP is good at and used to good effect in previous fights.

GSP can't match Diaz in boxing, if he tries he'll end up like the rest of Nick's victims. What he can do is use his superior speed, footwork, and kicks to take Diaz apart while staying out of the killzone. If he's smart he'll do that and pick up an easy win. If he gets sucked into Diaz' game, all bets are off.
 
#220 ·
Nick Diaz has the best style of stand up in MMA easily for the reason that he is always tagging you instead of looking for the homerun swing everytime and missing like many mma fighters do while he is wearing you down fast with this style.

He gets fluidity and cohesion with his timing and punches and then starts to pour on the bigger shots to put you away when you were already tired. The only thing he needs to work on his getting his opponents trapped in a corner so they can't get out and move towards their direction when they try to get out so they can't.
 
#221 ·
Anyone forget that GSP only learned Wrestling when he came into MMA and never wrestled in College and became perhaps the best wrestler in the UFC? I will always respect fighters who trained so hard at things to be great at it. I will not respect fighters who whine about being taking down because they did not give a damn about putting the blood, sweat, and tears in. If you get wrestled****ed well thats your problem. GSP had work his ass off to be able to take guys down easily and keep em there.
 
#225 ·
Robbie lawler may not be elite but he isn't bad especially back then, bj penn you can see came out of shape but he didn't really he just got wore down quick with body shots unlike the rory fight where he didn't come in any shape at all and had no confidence he was gonna win, zaromskis is not that bad and he was battered, gomi was overwhelmed by nick like bj was and gassed from the pace and got smashed and chris lytle isn't too bad either and he beat him.

So there maybe they all aren't eite but there at least some pretty damn solid wins in the stand up and as you said daley is a good one mainly because he has never been finished with strikes bar nick.
 
#228 ·
Nick hasn't beaten any elite striker outside of Daley. Zaromskis is a can crusher, Gomi and Lawler aren't elite strikers by any means whatsoever, they just have good power and aren't timid. Santos isn't even that good of a fighter period and BJ Penn is an awful welterweight.

I think Nick has some good boxing and I like this fight, but his boxing isn't nearly as omfg great as some people think.
 
#229 ·
That's because you guys probably think of boxing as overrated things like footwork and head movement and angles when really its just about how many times can you hit someone and wear them down fast and thats what nick's style is and this isn't boxing so the other variables I mentioned don't work that well for effective like nick's style.
 
#232 ·
He will win and so will hendricks and thou shalt promote me to super admin in celebration, people think good boxing is just getting in and out in and in and out and some funky angles like edgar, but actually it's not that it's how much you can land and how often. Like GSP he is effective because he is always attacking with the jab however where he fails is that he doesn't have any other punches and the jab isn't as reoccuring in pace as nick's punches.

There's a reason why edgar and cruz can't finish fights sure they usually can't get hit with their in and outs but they will never finish and when they get a good opponent the technique fails badly like cruz vs faber and aldo vs edgar and maynard vs edgar or to a degree bendo vs edgar. That's all i'm saying there.
 
#242 ·
What's important here is not how good Diaz' boxing is, but rather how well he can use it. He could have the best boxing in the world, but if GSP uses his footwork to keep him at kicking range it's not going to do Diaz any good. Think of it this way, you could be a great submission artist like Demian Maia, but if you can't get the fight to the ground you're pretty much screwed.

And that's what makes this fight interesting. GSP has the tools to take away most of Diaz' boxing, by using speed, footwork, and kicks he can stay out of the kill zone while scoring strikes against Diaz. The question is will he use such a gameplan and can he stick it once Diaz starts doing what he's famous for. If he can, it's an easy win for GSP, if he can't or doesn't, all bets are off and Diaz gains the advantage.

This fight isn't about striking or grappling skills. It's about who can fight smarter, use a good gameplan, and have the intelligence & discipline to either make adjustments to the plan or stick with it when things don't go quite as expected.
 
#247 ·
Not a hater at all :); I just call 'em like I see 'em.

Case in point:

You're really living up to your namesake when it comes to your grappling analysis. It's pretty agreed upon that GSP could compete at a ADCC level if he wanted to. Nick couldn't.
Nick has knee-barred guys like Jorge Patino, and since the overwhelming majority of guys who fight at the ADCC list JJ as their base, I actually disagree that Nick couldn't compete under the right circumstances.

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#253 ·
Anyone else annoyed that Diaz fans keep saying the "GSP is a wrestler, Diaz is an MMA Fighter" line? When you fight in the UFC, you are an MMA fighter, you are both fighters. GSP learned to be a great wrestler, but he doesent have a wrestling background. Just because MMA fighters have different styles honestly doesnet make them any less of a fighter. And how can you really say that Nick is more of an MMA fighter than GSP when GSP actually has more tools and fighting techniques at his disposal than Nick and has less holes? If anything, GSP is more of an MMA fighter than Nick.

PS. You can try to hate GSP with Nick in saying that he is pampered and stuff, but if you listen to Nick he actually wants to be pampered too and is just mad that no one is pampering him. He isint trying to "keep it real" if he could, he would like to switch places with GSP. Thats an admirable goal. Nick just wants to be a good guy, even if he cant express it, even if people (like his entourage or fans) wants him to just be a bad boy.
 
#257 ·
Anyone else annoyed that Diaz fans keep saying the "GSP is a wrestler, Diaz is an MMA Fighter" line? When you fight in the UFC, you are an MMA fighter, you are both fighters. GSP learned to be a great wrestler, but he doesent have a wrestling background. Just because MMA fighters have different styles honestly doesnet make them any less of a fighter. And how can you really say that Nick is more of an MMA fighter than GSP when GSP actually has more tools and fighting techniques at his disposal than Nick and has less holes? If anything, GSP is more of an MMA fighter than Nick.
Are you kidding dude ? GSP is great at two things , taking people down and not getting submitted.

His boxing looks good against people who's boxing skills are MEDIOCRE at best. His boxing looks on par with GOOD boxers because he only boxes for no more than 2 minutes at a time. Keep him on his feet for long enough to get figured out and GTFOOH

Diaz's striking is years ahead of GSP's.....His Jui Jitsu is eons ahead.

GSP is a mirage of an real martial artist.


THIS is the story of GSP.....picks up things very quickly but doesn't stick to it because he mostly uses his natural athleticism to win. To call him a martial artist would be like calling jean claude van damme not a sell out.


Martial Arts is a huge part of who Nick is. To the point where what he has learned in martial arts has been incorporated into his virtues and who he really is based on his knowledge and disciplines. (cheesy but truth)


GSP......is kinda like a jean-claude van damme, not in fighting styles - but in PERSONALITY. A SELL OUT WHO THINKS HE'S A 'BADASS'. Given the rules of the ufc, he's a "bad-dude" but as a "martial artist" - Not.

This is an objective opinion regardless of the outcome of the fight. GSP is a sell out. Diaz right now, is infinitely more of an martial artist than gsp.

Sure, gsp is an "mma fighter", but to people outside of the sport no one gives an airborn f***.

No one cares, but it's closer to the "Truth"- DIAZ motherFer.
 
#254 ·
Diaz is a bit overrated if you ask me. His TDD is crap, he is not good defensively.

Though I think his BJJ game really gets overlooked, he could compete at an ADCC level, would he be successful? probably not.

I think he gives GSP troubles on the feet if he's smart and does not just walk forward swinging because he will be put on his back before he has a chance to get going.

And I think that when he is on his back he will give GSP some troubles.
 
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