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Georges St-Pierre (c) 81 76.42%
Nick Diaz 25 23.58%
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:36 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I'm going to be really controversial and say that should this fight go the distance, Diaz may very well take it. You're all assuming that in a long distance fight, GSP will probably be controlling everything and making Diaz lie down most of the time... Diaz' tenacity, conditioning and skill set makes me question this.

On the feet Diaz will be marching forward throwing a high amount of strikes as usual. Either man can land a heavy counter, but Diaz is a much busier and more aggressive striker.

On the ground when GSP is on top, Nick will be constantly looking for submissions and a chance to sweep his way back up. IF GSP can consistently nullify these attempts, he will HAVE to do more offensively than he normally does or Diaz will make him look lazy, possible stand up depending on the ref.

If Diaz winds up on top, that's a situation we can't really visualize. We rarely see GSP in this position, Diaz does have a fantastic submission game, Nick will undoubtedly be scoring points from here at the very least.

Diaz outscoring GSP is very much a possibility to me.
Condit pretty much showed that Diaz being some unstoppable machine in the feet was a myth and GSP works with the finest jujitsu guys out there.

This will look like Bendo/Nate.


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Condit pretty much showed that Diaz being some unstoppable machine in the feet was a myth and GSP works with the finest jujitsu guys out there.

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I didn't say he's an unstoppable machine, I said his offense is hard to outpoint. Condit showed nothing, he won a controversial decision with lame tactics.
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I didn't say he's an unstoppable machine, I said his offense is hard to outpoint. Condit showed nothing, he won a controversial decision with lame tactics.
Those 'lame tactics' helped him out point Nick for four rounds.


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Old 03-05-2013, 02:48 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Those 'lame tactics' helped him out point Nick for four rounds.


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It was a great example of how laughable the scoring system can be sometimes. Like Guida beating Maynard on 1 judges card. It's pathetic how movement is scored over damage. Just because you are moving doesn't mean you are active. Going in reverse is not positive movement. Refusing to engage and always countering is not controlling the fight. It's pathetic that people can win points battle while in reverse and it doesn't make it the correct decision. Just like Gomi didn't lose this weekend sometimes the scores are flat out wrong.
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Or tapping the leg is in any form scored....let alone scored anywhere like a Shogun or Aldo leg kick.

But I am sick of the Condit/Diaz scoring talk. 1 set of fans who hate Diaz and like point fighting will back COndit. The other set who miss the old scoring systems and don't condone Greg Jackson point fighting will back Diaz. It won't change. Some fans like fights. Some fans like the sport and how to exploit its scoring.
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Going with Diaz on this one, ever since the match was first brought up ages ago i thought diaz stylistically is a big problem for gsp
Comments like this make me laugh. GSP is absolutely Diaz' worst stylistic match up. Diaz wins by putting on the pressure, backing you up, and whittling you down through volume. He's flat footed during it and relies on the pressure to put your back against the cage.

GSP - quite simply - won't let him do that. GSP is the master at dictating where the fight happens. When Diaz starts pushing forward on his feet GSP will put him on his back. When Diaz starts trying to make room for a sub he'll cut him open with elbows. Rinse and repeat. And GSP has the cardio to go toe to toe with Diaz' cardio. He can keep up this pace all night.

Diaz - as other fights have shown - has a hard time when he can't control the pace or the placement of a fight. He does not adapt well as he only has one gameplan. Against GSP that's not nearly enough.

This fight will be a massacre.
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That is a joke. The ONLY way he gets a finish is by cuts. And it may happen because Diaz has much scar tissue and GSP no doubt will be on top afraid to throw and grind elbows into his face.

Other than cuts there is NO POSSIBLE way he finishes Diaz. You have perhaps one of the hardest to finish in the UFC vs. a guy who hasn't finished a fight in years...in 5 rounders!

GSP has no shot of subbing. He has no shot of TKO/KO. 1 bad bad cut is his only option. I have no clue how anyone could think otherwise?

It gets annoying as hell when people say "I think GSP will finish this one" every time he fights. But it is even more ridiculous when it is vs. the hardest guy to finish that he has ever fought.



Angry GSP is exactly what Diaz wants. I am a big Diaz fan, but I realize he has little shot vs. GSP if he is going to do the usually lay and elbow. If GSP gets that angry and tries to strike a bunch....or goes ape shit on the ground....DIaz has a MUUUUUCH better chance of landing a punch or a sub that changes everything.

GSP opening up and being mad is the only chance Diaz has. I hope GSP is angry as all hell.



Tell that to Robbie Lawler. Who has at least twice the chin any sort of GSP has.
Did you not see what GSP does when his opponent runs his mouth? Did he not "finish" Penn the last time they fought? The so called legend who said "I'll die in the ring before I give up", only to mentally break so badly his corner threw in the towel?

You are right on some things though, GSP won't sub him because he's not retarded. He knows Nick has great boxing and Jitz, so why the @#@# would he go for subs when it would be easier to be in a dominant GNP position where he would have no chance of getting subbed while inflicting steady damage.

Nick's boxing won't be a factor because he will legitimately have to worry about takedowns which will make him tentative. He doesn't have the KO power, so GSP will show he can stand and jab him all day long until Nick starts to feel himself and get taken down for it.

Once on the ground, GSP will make him his bitch. Anyone who thinks otherwise don't know shit about MMA or have your Nick blinders on. Nick does not have the explosiveness or the strength to deal with a greased up frenchie on top of him. He will get beat up the same way Penn got dominated, round after round his face will resemble a mashed tomato.

Except Nick is too stupid to quit, so he'll keep fighting hoping GSP gasses out (which won't happen) and might potentially get a career injury. So yeah, we might not see a "knock out finish", but we'll see a beating that'll take a year for him to recover.
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You think GSP has the ability to get Nick in a choke? I haven't seen anything that would suggest that. Seems like too risky of a move for GSP. He refuses to take any risk and I don't see him trying any subs on Nick.
The only sub I see him going for is a kimura because he gets to keep his position if he fails.
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So many asinine comments in one thread.

'GSP is scared.'

'GSP doesn't have the ability to submit fighters.'

'There is ZERO chance GSP finishes Diaz.'

I'm embarrassed to post here with idiotic comments like these. GSP isn't a scared fighter. There's no such thing. It takes fortitude to step inside a cage in front of millions and put your well being on the line. Scared men wouldn't be a part of this sport. GSP is a tactician who fights to preserve his health and longevity. That doesn't make him scared, and if you can't see the difference then there's really no point in conversing with you.

Moving on, of course GSP has the ability to submit someone like Diaz, or any fighter. To assume that he doesn't purely because it's been a while is just foolish. The question is not whether GSP has the ability to submit people, it's whether he'll take that risk. Again, one is completely different from the other. GSP took a lot more risks than he had to against Carlos, so the truth is that none of us knows what GSP will show up. He could come and play it safe. Or he could come to put on a show. OU would have us believe that GSP is a scared fighter who fights safe, and that Carlos Condit is a scared fighter who back-peddles the entire fight - and yet somehow these two managed to put on a FOTY nominee.

And finally, this whole 'zero chance' concept is bunk. Plenty has happened in MMA to validate the notion that anything can happen, and a dominant world champion leagues above his competition finishing an opponent is hardly a long shot. Yes, Diaz is tough to finish. And yes, this probably will be a 5 round UD. But you people really need to learn to leave the word 'impossible' at the door, because it has no place here.

I have no intention of returning to this thread until fight day or responding to any 'counterpoints'. I'm right. You're wrong. And I'd much rather enjoy what will likely be a great fight than have it ruined by keyboard warriors who fancy themselves big men over the internet. Instead of blaming GSP for being 'scared' and 'safe', try pointing a finger or two at the men whom have failed miserably to stop him.

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Condit pretty much showed that Diaz being some unstoppable machine in the feet was a myth and GSP works with the finest jujitsu guys out there.

This will look like Bendo/Nate.


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And This!!

GSP is going to ragdoll Diaz badly. People don't seem to realize what a motivated GSP will do to someone. He's heads and tales better than everyone in the division. He's the most complete fighter in MMA (IMO), and will show it next weekend.

I'd love to see GSP dismantle Nick over 5 rounds and make him want to quit...
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