Originally Posted by John8204
Werdum has 50% split far superior to Nogs 20%. I wasn't aware I was here to make your case for you? Hey here's a question for you how did Big Nog do against Frank Mir again? It's absurd to use Pride stats to support Nog has a superior BJJ guy. Not only were the rules different but you don't know how many of those fights were fixed or not. Werdum is the highest decorated active MMA HW around today, Nog had his arm handed to him by Mir.
Oh you want to bring up Demian Maia, hey how did Maia do against those nationally ranked Div 1 wrestlers in the MW division because I believe he went 1-2. Also really Rick Story is your idea of a top wrestler guy that got outwrestled by Hathaway and Brenneman is your huge ace?
My friend, in the first place, I have made a polite question to Ous to hear his opinion and maybe make my mind as I never defended to death Nog was better than Werdum. I merely believed he still edged for his accomplishments in MMA, but that is sure debateble. Can't argue if you question Pride rules or legitimacy. Your buddy was rude and you came nutthugging him for some particular reason between you two and you are still pushing this conversation in a wrong manner.
Now to your questions.
Mir probably would get KTFO against Nog. That would be my bet. About the arm breaking: Sure Mir can sub Nog or anybody as this is routine in the gym between Black belts, but you really think Nog was in a BJJ struggle against Mir when he got his arm broken? Wasn't clear for you Nog thought Mir was dead already and never tought about no risk coming from a dead man, not mentioning defending that arm? For me it was a stupid mistake, nothing else.
About Maia. We are still speaking about grappling, right? Can you point to me which Div 1 wrestler outwrestled Demian Maia in UFC in any weight class??? Can't remember...
Anyway, you never mentioned top wrestlers. You mentioned the cage favors wrestlers.