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Old 02-06-2013, 04:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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why do people think Hioki defeated Guida lol

I just watched the fight again since I was so surprised so many ppl had that fight for Hioki .. and I gave it 30-27 Guida .. I TRIED to give a round to Hioki but he got outgrappled and outworked the entire fight lol .. Joe rogan seemed extremely bias in his commentary for this fight and in the 3rd round he was like Guida in my opinions needs to finish this fight if he wants to win .. I was literally shocked and could not believe he said that .. I gave it 30-27 Guida but MAYBE just maybe I could give it 29-28 Guida If I have Cecile peoples syndrome ?! lol cud not believe how bias Joe Rogan is .. its like before the fight starts he picks who he wants to win for some of the fights not all .. and whenever the fighter he wants to win lands a punch or a leg kick or has a submission attempt he is like OOOOH thats a nice SHOTT ohhh my god lol
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Because people who understand how grappling SHOULD be scored place importance on working off your back. Using submissions to at least try to end the fight should be scored more than it is (which is to say; not at all). As well, Hioki was easily winning the stand-up.

Guida simply took advantage of a broken system.
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Because people who understand how grappling SHOULD be scored place importance on working off your back. Using submissions to at least try to end the fight should be scored more than it is (which is to say; not at all). As well, Hioki was easily winning the stand-up.

Guida simply took advantage of a broken system.
AGAIN...i still think pettis should have won also, i really will never understand how SURVIVING someones guard for 3 rounds without landing any offense means you're winning
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AGAIN...i still think pettis should have won also, i really will never understand how SURVIVING someones guard for 3 rounds without landing any offense means you're winning
Although I agree that top control is scored too highly. You should also look at it from the other perspective. After all those sub attempts, his opponent is still there, in control. I see the current judging on the ground comparable to takedowns. Yes you may be moving your hips a lot and looking very threatening, throwing lots of legs in the air, but unless you sweep or sub, you've achieved nothing.

Same as a takedown. You may have spent30 seconds ttrying to grind a takedown, but if you haven't got the fight to the floor you haven't achieved anything.
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Although I agree that top control is scored too highly. You should also look at it from the other perspective. After all those sub attempts, his opponent is still there, in control. I see the current judging on the ground comparable to takedowns. Yes you may be moving your hips a lot and looking very threatening, throwing lots of legs in the air, but unless you sweep or sub, you've achieved nothing.

Same as a takedown. You may have spent30 seconds ttrying to grind a takedown, but if you haven't got the fight to the floor you haven't achieved anything.
With the submission attempts, you'd almost have to score it similar to the way you'd score a fighter who is backing up standing, but is still throwing enough shots to be dangerous. Just because you're the one walking forward, doesn't mean you're trying to end the fight.
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With the submission attempts, you'd almost have to score it similar to the way you'd score a fighter who is backing up standing, but is still throwing enough shots to be dangerous. Just because you're the one walking forward, doesn't mean you're trying to end the fight.
Exactly. Its not entirely about whether a submission attempt failed or not. The point is, your opponents offence is completely shut down because they are fighting off your submission attempts. That is worth a lot in a fight. If you are throwing up subs whilst getting punched in the face alot, then your opponent has the better of you. But in this and the Pettis fight, Guidas offence was totally shut down.

I don't care if you are standing or on the mat. If you are attacking and your opponent isn't, you are winning. The system is broken.
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I don't think Hikoi won, because I understand how MMA judging works. They gave Clay all the credit for having top control, octagon control and pushing the pace of the fight.

With all that being said, man it was a boring fight. I honestly think the ref let Guida stay on top of Hioki and do little to nothing because the crowd was cheering him on(Guida was in his hometown). Even Joe Rogan, the guy who complains for days when refs stands up fights thought Guida was doing nothing.
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Yeah, you can tell by the way Guida was moving on the ground that he knew having any sort of offense would have had consequences. He had nothing for Hioki on the ground and was probably hoping he'd eek out a decision win because of him having nothing more than the top position, and it worked out for him. I scored the fight for Hioki, but I figured Guida would win under UFC scoring.
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Yeah, you can tell by the way Guida was moving on the ground that he knew having any sort of offense would have had consequences. He had nothing for Hioki on the ground and was probably hoping he'd eek out a decision win because of him having nothing more than the top position, and it worked out for him. I scored the fight for Hioki, but I figured Guida would win under UFC scoring.
My exacts thoughts..
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