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Dtwizzy2k5 · 02-26-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Crester

Any time you have a "first"... you are going to have more people tuning in. Just like how I know people who watched the Daytona 500 (NASCAR) on the same weekend even tho they don't like NASCAR just because they heard "this woman Danica was racing".

I don't know if a headlining woman's fight will always be a big draw...?

That's a good point. The real test for women's MMA isn't how well the first card sells, it's how well the tenth card sells once all the novelty has died down.
600k buys would be good, but it's nothing special. If anything it just proves that WMMA can sell equally with mens.

**Jebber** · 02-26-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtwizzy2k5

That's a good point. The real test for women's MMA isn't how well the first card sells, it's how well the tenth card sells once all the novelty has died down.
600k buys would be good, but it's nothing special. If anything it just proves that WMMA can sell equally with mens.

yup, time will tell

**deadmanshand** · 02-26-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtwizzy2k5

600k buys would be good, but it's nothing special. If anything it just proves that WMMA can sell equally with mens.

That's pretty special in and of itself. It shows that all of these people who said that mma fans don't want to see WMMA are simply wrong.

As an aside the response to the start of Rousey/Carmouche was amazing. Much better than Hendo/Machida.

Trix · 02-26-2013, 11:46 AM

If Rousey vs Carmouche outdraws ufc 156 with Overeem, Aldo, Edgar, Benavidez, McCall, Rashad, Fitch, Maia, Little Nog and Bigfoot Silva...

I hope Rousey is making $300,000 - $500,000+ per fight else she could be underpaid.

H33LHooK · 02-26-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by deadmanshand

That's pretty special in and of itself. It shows that all of these people who said that mma fans don't want to see WMMA are simply wrong.

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I wonder how many people would buy a card if it was headlined by a couple of homely girls who could fight.

I know that's offensive, and that's the point.
If Rousey wasn't marketable as desirable, I'm betting there is no women's division in the UFC at this point in time.

So to take Deadmanshand's point a little further: IMO, it shows that mma fans want to see WMMA, but likely wouldn't buy a card headlined by it unless Rhonda Rousey is the W in that acronym.

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**The Best Around** · 02-26-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian Psycho

People wanted to see Machida vs. Henderson.

Hendo vs. Shogun didn't crack 300K so i highly doubt it. Machida has drawn decent but not enough to make a difference in a co-main event. I was extremely anti-WMMA but it looks like I was proven wrong. IF this is true, most of the credit goes to WMMA with an assist from Hendo/Machida. I think most people's mentality was "I'm going to check this out because I'm interested to see WMMA, plus Hendo vs. Machida is on the card too so I'm not wasting my time if WMMA turns out to be a failure".

onip69 · 02-26-2013, 12:01 PM

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Early UFC 157 PPV buy estimates: 400-450k for Ronda Rousey's debut
By Brent Brookhouse on Feb 26, 10:20a 96

Ronda Rousey debuted at UFC 157 with a first round submission win of Liz Carmouche. Dave Meltzer provided some early PPV buy estimates for the show.

Much of the talk ahead of UFC 157 was how many pay-per-views a show headlined by female fighters could be. Some were predicting in the 700,000 buy range, leaning on a large number of non-MMA fans buying simply to see a historic moment or having been captivated by Rousey's "mystique." Other's predicted a low 200,000 number.

Dave Metlzer gave the first early estimates on the numbers on today's edition of the Wrestling Observer radio:

Over 400,000....they're absolutely thrilled. The show, it was...they had predicted 250. Budgeted 250, I shouldn't say predicted. But I mean, the predictions internally were 250-300. So they blew away their predictions, big time. It's..uh..yeah..it's not as big as I've seen some numbers floating around, it wasn't THAT big, but if you think about what all things considered it was enormous. It was a huge success. Actually, the reality is that it was probably...there was a very good chance that the promotion of Rousey was TOO successful because she's been offered a role in the next...whatever it is...the next Hunger Games movie that they're going to film. And once that happens it's like...you know, who knows? She's making a lot of money fighting, I don't know what those numbers are going to be when they come out when they're released. But she's making a ton of money. They signed her to a hell of a contract because they really did believe...not necessarily that she'd be this giant PPV draw, but in other ways she'd be incredibly valuable to the company. And so far she has turned out to be more valuable than they expected.

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They're expecting big replay buys. Big replay buys means 25,000-30,000 more than they have right now. It could do mid fours, maybe more, but that's a nice number to say. Put it that way.

Dave went on to say that Liz Carmouche has to be extraordinarily happy right now -- probably the happiest person to ever lose a title fight in the first round -- and, while shooting down the idea that she made a million dollars in bonuses, pointed out that she made a very good amount of money.

If this wasn't a one-off curiosity driven buyrate that can't be duplicated and was Rousey's actual standard drawing power, that is a fantastic thing. The UFC has very few stars who can draw in the 400,000 range. And there are some compelling opponents out here for Rousey that could help sell future fights.

Dave did, however, have some news that could be of concern about Rousey possibly having already become too big of a star:

Again, we all knew that the destination for her was probably going to be in the movies. Weather she is successful at it or not, we don't know. But we all knew she was going to be there. But it's...it's bigger in that sense than...bigger and quicker than would be perhaps what UFC would want. I think it's cool that they do that but I think they would want it somewhere where she might do some TV or something like that, but not get in the way or her training or her being hungry. You start doing movies and...you know...movies is often, for fighters, the kiss of death. You get pampered and stuff like that and it's hard to switch off and go to training.

It's entirely speculative right now to suggest that Rousey is going to jump to movies full time or lose her drive to fight, but ultimately there is more money to be made in Hollywood for "easier" work if she can act and is able to carry her personality to the screen.

So it's wait and see mode on that move. But, for now, the UFC can be extremely happy with the results of her first headlining effort.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/2/26...ey-ppv-numbers

**deadmanshand** · 02-26-2013, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by H33LHooK

I wonder how many people would buy a card if it was headlined by a couple of homely girls who could fight.

I know that's offensive, and that's the point.
If Rousey wasn't marketable as desirable, I'm betting there is no women's division in the UFC at this point in time.

So to take Deadmanshand's point a little further: IMO, it shows that mma fans want to see WMMA, but likely wouldn't buy a card headlined by it unless Rhonda Rousey is the W in that acronym.

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And at this point that is pure speculation with absolutely no evidence for or against it. Your point isn't a point. It is a logical fallacy disguised as a point.

Maybe Ronda is the only reason they tuned. Much like Lesnar was the only reason a lot of wwe fans tuned. Both brought exposure (Lesnar to mma and Ronda to wmma). Hopefully this will result in a lot of fans becoming fans of WMMA and giving it the support it deserves.

And that Dave Meltzer report? I wouldn't trust it. Meltzer is the mma news equivalent of a toilet after a night of Taco Bell.

**Tyson Fury** · 02-26-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by deadmanshand

And at this point that is pure speculation with absolutely no evidence for or against it. Your point isn't a point. It is a logical fallacy disguised as a point.

Maybe Ronda is the only reason they tuned. Much like Lesnar was the only reason a lot of wwe fans tuned. Both brought exposure (Lesnar to mma and Ronda to wmma). Hopefully this will result in a lot of fans becoming fans of WMMA and giving it the support it deserves.

And that Dave Meltzer report? I wouldn't trust it. Meltzer is the mma news equivalent of a toilet after a night of Taco Bell.

Good post. Don't think I've repped ya before. For various reasons. But f*ck it. Have it!!

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