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Old 04-10-2007, 01:22 AM   #11 (permalink)
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My definition of luck in this case is that people are using it against Matt Serra in complete bitterness because he wasn't suppose to win and now that he has done that in a very convincing fashion, those same people don't want him as champ and despise the very idea of it to the point where they will argue that he got lucky.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:23 AM   #12 (permalink)
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isnt the mat suppose to soak the blood in so that doesnt happen? also so you arent fighting in a pool of blood.

edit : also if someone came upto me and told me that the opponent knew how I was gonna fight, id laugh, wouldnt even bother me a bit, why? because I dont know how im gonna fight in the match, all depends on what opponent does.

as for the hay maker, simple mathematics, you throw a haymake, hes bobbing and weaving theres a good percentage you are gonna connect, is it lucky that you threw it at the right time?

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Old 04-10-2007, 01:24 AM   #13 (permalink)
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isnt the mat suppose to soak the blood in so that doesnt happen? also so you arent fighting in a pool of blood.
haha, not sure but I hope you got my point regardless

If it is, then that is a good example of a way to reduce the amount of luck involved in a fight
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:29 AM   #14 (permalink)
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My definition of luck in this case is that people are using it against Matt Serra in complete bitterness because he wasn't suppose to win and now that he has done that in a very convincing fashion, those same people don't want him as champ and despise the very idea of it to the point where they will argue that he got lucky.
Yeah, I guess it depends on how you look at it. There are so many angles to look at things and people tend to look at the angle that confirms their own beliefs.

My argument in this thread is that there is luck involved in pretty much everything we do in life and MMA is not an exception.
So I disagree with the thread starter.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:57 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Im posting this in response to a lot of people saying Serra got lucky. THERE IS NO LUCK... NO SUCH THING AS LUCK, it's called skill and mistakes. Serra didn't get lucky he TKO'ed GSP, he had stand up skill and GSP made a mistake by ducking. In MMA there is no luck. I can go on forever why there isn't.

This is more pointing towards a guy named emperor who can't get over the fact that GSP lost.


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Let's just say this, I got lucky the other night but it had alot to do with skill and nothing to do with MMA.

Hope that helps.
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Old 04-10-2007, 02:19 AM   #16 (permalink)
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gambling ??? how is there no luck in that?? and slipping in the octagon is unlucky you cant really put a fighter at fault for that
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Of course theres no such thing as luck, its just a figure of speech really.

More or less calling something a fluke, it probably wouldnt happen twice, so people call that luck I guess.

and about that "Chuck only won that fight cause Randy slipped" ive disagreed so many times and stated my opinion but no one ever reads or replies to it anyways..not gonna waste my time, haha.

I still think Chuck would have won that fight either way though if he DID finish it right there only because of the slip, he was beating Randy in my honest opinion, holding someone up against a fence throughout the first round after getting rocked doesn't define as winning a fight...
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Interesting thread. There is luck in MMA in very rare instances but no examples come to mind right now. What's important is that Serra didn't get "lucky" in his win. He threw the punches with the intent to end the fight, and he succeeded. It takes skill to connect with a punch as well as defend one. Serra had more skill that night.

We can also say there is a difference between someone getting lucky, and someone's win being pure luck. If someone happened to slip and fall and break his ankle or leg or something, and the other guy won by default, then that would be a case of pure luck. But if someone slips and then gets in a good position to get KOed, then I think you can just say the other guy got lucky. It still takes skill to knock someone out though so you couldn't say it was pure luck.

But really if you want you can say it's all luck. The guy in my avy just got lucky that he was in the perfect position to do that move and got lucky that the other guy didn't know how to defend it. Everything's luck, but pure luck rarely happens in MMA. Maybe once every 10 years. And nobody disputes it when it happens anyway.

You could say every judge's decision is based on luck too. It's just lucky that the one judge happened to see it you lost and the other 2 thought you won. Or whatever, just lucky that the judge happened to score it the way he did.

People saying Serra got lucky just have something wrong with them where they can't accept a guy legitimaely losing to another guy who was the better fighter at least for 1 night. It's unnatural to have such a strong obsession with one man to where you would go to great lengths no matter how absurd to make yourself feel better about your favorite fighter whom you've never spoken to and he doesn't even know you exist.

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^^^^^ nice post

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gambling ??? how is there no luck in that?? and slipping in the octagon is unlucky you cant really put a fighter at fault for that



Gambling is not luck, its random chance. you get random picks and random numbers thats all.
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Im posting this in response to a lot of people saying Serra got lucky. THERE IS NO LUCK... NO SUCH THING AS LUCK, it's called skill and mistakes. Serra didn't get lucky he TKO'ed GSP, he had stand up skill and GSP made a mistake by ducking. In MMA there is no luck. I can go on forever why there isn't.

This is more pointing towards a guy named emperor who can't get over the fact that GSP lost.


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MISTAKE by GSP, LUCK by Serra.
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