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Old 03-07-2013, 04:00 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Simply beautiful! I would really enjoy Maia winning this one.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:05 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Maia is not a wrestler. Maia is a BJJ wizard. BJJ > Wrestling => Maia > Pyle
I dont think Maia's Wrestling is that bad. I believe Maia unlike a lot of the other Jitz elitists actually works really hard on his wrestling and it seems to be getting better and better.
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Even if that situation occurs you still have several guys that could move up a fight a number one contenders fight.

Tarec Saffadiene - 4 fight win streak
Matt Brown - 4 fight win streak
John Hathaway - 3 fight win streak
Mike Pierce - 3 fight win streak
Mike Pyle - 3 fight win streak
Jason High - 7 fight win streak

You also have Kim, Ellenberger and Woodley who are likely close to fight for a title. The WW division isn't lacking for depth
Also I wouldn't count out a GSP/Condit II
maybe if ellenberger wins saturday then he and saffeidine can have a #1 contender fight. The rest of the guys you named arent even top 10 and will need at least a couple more wins to even be considered for a title shot. They cant make gsp wait that long
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:35 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Wrestlers are better at takedowns then BJJ guys. I think that is pretty obvious.
Way too obvious, actually. I couldn't disagree even if I wanted.
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We aren't talking who is the better grappler but who has the better take downs.
No, neither you or me specified that. "Wrestler" was the word used and IMO, wrestling = TD + Grappling
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But in general I would also disagree IMO wrestling is more dominant then BJJ.
Here I have to say the pretty obvious thing is opposed to what you said, because grappling wise BJJ is beyond any comparison with wrestling alone. Don't forget nowaday wrestlers do train a lot of BJJ as vice-versa, what may impair your statistics.
Wanna compare a pure top wrestler against a pure top BJJ? Either we match a pure pactitioner of each discipline or we would have to rewind in time and re-visit Royce vs Dan Severn. Ah, little difference in weight favoured the All American, but nevermind that.
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That was pre-weight lifting Rory. Doesn't count.

I don't feel like going back and watching the fight, but did Penn not manage a takedown on Rory?

I'm sure Maia can land a takedown. But we're talking about the fate of a nation here. I have to cling to something.
Weight lifting?

We all really know what that means breh.


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So you are saying GSP can fight Ellenberger and Saff at the same time?

You didn't fix that very well.
You are implying that Diaz will beat GSP.
All I did was correct your mistake.
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Way too obvious, actually. I couldn't disagree even if I wanted.

No, neither you or me specified that. "Wrestler" was the word used and IMO, wrestling = TD + Grappling

Here I have to say the pretty obvious thing is opposed to what you said, because grappling wise BJJ is beyond any comparison with wrestling alone. Don't forget nowaday wrestlers do train a lot of BJJ as vice-versa, what may impair your statistics.
Wanna compare a pure top wrestler against a pure top BJJ? Either we match a pure pactitioner of each discipline or we would have to rewind in time and re-visit Royce vs Dan Severn. Ah, little difference in weight favoured the All American, but nevermind that.
My original response wasn't to your post. It was to the response that since Mike Pyle got the take down that means Maia can as well. I said that's crazy since Pyle is a much better wrestler which implies he has better take downs. Which is true.
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My Pick, for what it's worth, would be MacDonald in this fight ... never know with Maia
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My original response wasn't to your post. It was to the response that since Mike Pyle got the take down that means Maia can as well. I said that's crazy since Pyle is a much better wrestler which implies he has better take downs. Which is true.
Oh, absolutely. Actually, Maia goal is to close distance and work his BJJ grappling. He grabs a limb, an go octpus mode, as opposed to those beautiful slams we see Wrestlers implementing.
And I have to correct my Wrestling formula to:
Wrestling = TD + grappling + TDD. TDD was missing.
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I'm not that sure of Rory not going to fight St. Pierre. Didn't he even mention that it were possible¿
It was my understanding that he said he wouldn't fight GSP. But I could be wrong and missed a segment where he said he would.

As for the Maia - wrestler talk. He probably has just as good of takedowns as Pyle, probably better. There are TDs in BJJ, not traditional wrestling TDs, but he isn't a novice in getting guys to the ground.

If Maia can take down Fitch whenever he wants, I'm sure he can take Rory down. 1 TD may be all he needs to sub or control him for the rest of the round.

Before Maia, Fitch was still a beast, people said still a top 5 guy, just got caught vs. Hendricks. Since Maia whooped that ass, Fitch is now just a guy, funny how that works.

I would favor Rory if I were an oddsmaker, but Maia has a seriously good chance to win. I like the way he thinks now a days compared to his last days at 185.
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