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post #51 of 57 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:40 PM
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...there are far more examples of wrestlers dictating where the fight takes place then BJJ guys.
That may be true in general, but Maias fights at WW are the exception. He has got down his opponents and totally controlled them. In fact, I struggle to remember the last time ive seen anybody out grapple his opponents so conclusively and consistently... probably since GSP.

Make no mistake. Maia at WW is just as effective at getting opponents down as anybody outside of the riddim.
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It's 'riddum' you wanker.
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I realize that most wrestlers also train BJJ these days or at the very least catch wrestling and/or sub defense. But for my point look at the primary discipline for the current UFC Champions. Cain, Jones, GSP, Bendo all rely heaving on wrestling. Not just the Champions but there are a ton of guys at the top of the divisions that rely heavy on wrestling and it's their strongest weapon. Even GSP who didn't start as a wrestlers clearly focuses heavy on wrestling and it has become his strongest aspect of his game. I'm not saying BJJ isn't great and at a high level you can't be dominate because there are plenty of examples of that as well. Just IMO due to the current scoring system wrestling is the most dominate art or technique in MMA today.
Yeah. MMA wise, with all the crosstraining that's about right. Separately, BJJ offers way more grappling techiniques and finishes, but we don't see pure disciplines against pure disciplines so often nowadays. As you mentioned, all these champions have background in wrestling, but they are champions because they use so well their wrestling mixed up with many other techniques.
The thing I highlight about BJJ is that today, it relies mainly in Demian as a pure BJJ representant. It's becoming hard to see such a high level wizard like him coming to MMA. The most of new breed, even when reaching black belt, are not BJJ purely specialists, as they train everything on the market from the start. Maia is BJJ in his core and only late added a few striking tricks to his arsenal, and a little wrestling of course, as he is no fool. So because he can do what he can using mainly his BJJ, "generations" after Royce, it speaks loud on how effective pure BJJ can be. Specially when showcased by a master like him.
Sorry 'bout the lenght. To be honest, I must say I like wrestling very much too, but I am a huuuge BJJ fan, as you noted.

I want so much to see him squaring off with the top of th WW up to Georges.

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It's 'riddum' you wanker.
Im surprised you can hear what hes actually saying... considering your vigorous fapping whenever he opens his mouth.
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Yeah. MMA wise, with all the crosstraining that's about right. Separately, BJJ offers way more grappling techiniques and finishes, but we don't see pure disciplines against pure disciplines so often nowadays. As you mentioned, all these champions have background in wrestling, but they are champions because they use so well their wrestling mixed up with many other techniques.
The thing I highlight about BJJ is that today, it relies mainly in Demian as a pure BJJ representant. It's becoming hard to see such a high level wizard like him coming to MMA. The most of new breed, even when reaching black belt, are not BJJ purely specialists, as they train everything on the market from the start. Maia is BJJ in his core and only late added a few striking tricks to his arsenal, and a little wrestling of course, as he is no fool. So because he can do what he can using mainly his BJJ, "generations" after Royce, it speaks loud on how effective pure BJJ can be. Specially when showcased by a master like him.
Sorry 'bout the lenght. To be honest, I must say I like wrestling very much too, but I am a huuuge BJJ fan, as you noted.

I want so much to see him squaring off with the top of th WW up to Georges.
I'm a fan of BJJ as well, but I also have an appreciation for wrestling that most seem to lack, not you obviously. I wrestled when I was younger but only from 7th-9th grade but it was a wonderful experience that I'm glad I had. Really helps you realize your limits, practices are just brutal and the hardest thing I have ever done physically. I mean practicing in 100+ degree heat is an intense experience. Cutting weight as an 8th grader probably wasn't the healthiest thing to do though lol
But honestly I enjoy watching BJJ more then I do wrestling.
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I'd prefer they wait things out from next week's show. Diaz/Rory and Condit/Rory would both make sense. Condit/Rory was supposed to happen, and GSP and Diaz hate each other.

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Such an interesting fight, Maia is a real beast at this weight (he smothered the man Fitch at his own game).

Rory is very young, athletic and powerful. Things to consider would be, how is his BJJ? His experience in precarious positions, etc.

There's no question of if, it's when Maia gets his back, can Rory defend?

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