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View Poll Results: do you find GSP exciting?

yes, he's one of the most exciting guys in the sport 7 4.64%
he's boring as **** and i'm tired of him 52 34.44%
george is the consummate MMA champion, show some respect 22 14.57%
he's not one of the most exciting guys but he's not boring either 51 33.77%
i'm tired of you JUST BLEED fans. go watch backyard brawling instead 19 12.58%
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:53 PM   #51 (permalink)
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He plays by the rules and uses everything to his advantage in order to just win. He doesn't care to put on a show, doesn't care as champ to show us anything new. He is boring at times. But that is the way it goes.

I'm not going to act like it is wrong to try to win. But as a fighter....I respect many more fighters present and past much more than I do GSP. I am just a fan of the opposite kinds of fighters. The SHoguns, Nogs, Hendos, Joe Lauzons, Diaz bros, Barao, Cain, JDS, Hunt, Fedor, Sakaraba, Wandy, and so on. The way they go about fighting appeals to me much more than how Georges goes about it.

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Now that I agree with. I actually think GSP was capable of doing some REAL damage to Diaz last night. Finishes aside, he had Nick in perfect positions for opening up cuts, etc. Georges even said he could have taken Nick's back a few times but did not want to.
This is why it is all wolf tickets. GSP's whole persona and attitude before the fight was fake. No one should ever call for a finish from him again. He does what he does. No one again should pretend like he is some monster that can do great damage. I have never went into a title fight thinking the champion has zero chance of finishing. I felt that way last night.
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:17 PM   #52 (permalink)
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To be fair to GSP, he doesn't exactly fight 'easily finished' fighters. Was Hendricks able to finish Koscheck or Condit? Was Condit able to finish Diaz? Were Rory, Fitch, and Nick able to finish Penn? Was Maia able to finish Fitch? GSP is fighting the best in the UFC's most stacked division. Finishing at the level GSP often fights might be easier said than done. We can all sit here and judge, but at the end of the day, we're not in that cage.

Though as I said, I do believe that GSP - at times - takes fewer risks than his skill-set permits him to. I know for a fact he could have finished Jake Shields standing, and there's simply no question that he could have submitted Dan Hardy. But again, I'm not in his position. One mistake or one risk too many could cost him his entire empire and legacy, just as it almost did against Serra. I myself like fighters who run on heart, but there's also a place for brilliant tacticians. I personally have found very few GSP fights boring - Shields and Hardy being his two worst performances, imo.
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I have a few options for everybody complaining about GSP fights:

1) Don't watch - Everyone knows exactly whats going to happen every time. I think it's exciting, and I know I'm not alone on that. If you don't - fine. If you want "exciting finishes" go ahead and wait for Ronda Rousey to win her next fight via armbar in the first. She's clearly a better martial artist than GSP

2) Beat him - Start training, climb the ladder, and show him how it's done.

If you don't/can't do either of those things you are just guaranteeing yourself disappointment. The only thing more predictable than GSP stomping his opponents is the thousands of complaining posters.
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:32 PM   #54 (permalink)
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He plays by the rules and uses everything to his advantage in order to just win. He doesn't care to put on a show, doesn't care as champ to show us anything new. He is boring at times. But that is the way it goes.

I'm not going to act like it is wrong to try to win. But as a fighter....I respect many more fighters present and past much more than I do GSP. I am just a fan of the opposite kinds of fighters. The SHoguns, Nogs, Hendos, Joe Lauzons, Diaz bros, Barao, Cain, JDS, Hunt, Fedor, Sakaraba, Wandy, and so on. The way they go about fighting appeals to me much more than how Georges goes about it.

I think all that says is that you like strikers and are not really much of a fan of MMA. That's fine, you are entitled to your preference, but your preference is not what I would call MMA ... most people would call it 'bare knuckle brawling'.
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To be fair to GSP, he doesn't exactly fight 'easily finished' fighters. Was Hendricks able to finish Koscheck or Condit? Was Condit able to finish Diaz? Were Rory, Fitch, and Nick able to finish Penn? Was Maia able to finish Fitch? GSP is fighting the best in the UFC's most stacked division. Finishing at the level GSP often fights might be easier said than done. We can all sit here and judge, but at the end of the day, we're not in that cage.

Though as I said, I do believe that GSP - at times - takes fewer risks than his skill-set permits him to. I know for a fact he could have finished Jake Shields standing, and there's simply no question that he could have submitted Dan Hardy. But again, I'm not in his position. One mistake or one risk too many could cost him his entire empire and legacy, just as it almost did against Serra. I myself like fighters who run on heart, but there's also a place for brilliant tacticians. I personally have found very few GSP fights boring - Shields and Hardy being his two worst performances, imo.
Hendricks nailed Condit a bunch of times with flush punches. GSP routinely has 5 rounds (with most of the time much superior cardio) to beat fighters up. And he doesn't even really do that let alone finish. The Condit/GSP fight was solid, I admit that.

But not easy to finish fighter? Hardy got tapped in seconds of hitting the ground vs. Ltyle after Lytle beat him up on teh feet for a few rounds. Kos just got killed in the first round vs. Robbie Lawler. Fitch was taken out by Hendricks in seconds.

I'm not exactly knocking him for not finishing. But at least try once in a great while. He has some blackbelt, but doesn't use it....maybe because when he tries to use it vs. a bad grappler in Hardy...he gets denied.

Fewer risks? HE TAKES ZERO RISKS. Even small risks. If a guy is riding a dudes back for 3 straight rounds then tries to actually get his back and look for a RNC...Would we call that a "risk" for anything other fighter? No that is just fighting. Only guy we talk about "risks" for is GSP. Like somehow trying to something with a dominant position is "risky". For any other fighter it is called fighting....for GSP it is called "risk".

GSP told Nick and the media that they didn't even know what he was about to do to Diaz. No Georges...we all knew.

I understand why a guy may want to play the game like GSP. I just don't understand how he gets so many fans and guys like Joe Lauzon seem to be this "newly discovered" fighter people are starting to like...although he has been sick to watch for years. Back in the old days fans used to cheer and admire fighters who went out there to fight, not being afraid to lose a fight. These days people would rather cheer the brand and his wikipedia record.

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I think all that says is that you like strikers and are not really much of a fan of MMA. That's fine, you are entitled to your preference, but your preference is not what I would call MMA ... most people would call it 'bare knuckle brawling'.
No. And I hate when people respond like this. Just because I don't respect how GSP easily controls guys but doesn't go for subs or much GnP for 25 minutes on end, doesn't mean I am some just bleed fan who doesn't like grappling. GSP fans tend to think they are sophisticated and understand MMA because they "appreciate" what GSP does. Yet most are just casual fans who recognize GSP because he is the mainstream fighter.

Big Nog is one of my favorite fighters ever. Did he get by on KOing people. One of my favorite fighters today is Gunnar Nelson...yet you probably don't even know who that is. Is he a brawler? I am a big fan of Damien Maia and Roger Gracie. Mark Coleman was the man as well.

Don't act like you know what sort of fan I am because I think GSP is a bitch. Makes you come off as a joke/idiot.
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GSP is a great fighter (tactically) and I've always wanted to see him win especially due to his demeanor and friendliness. However, there comes a point that you can no longer excuse the infinite boredom he exuberates with his style.

I honestly hope Hendricks knocks him the fcuk out next fight!

Hopefully we can get a Hendricks vs Diaz after!
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Sports evolve and change .. goaltenders wear masks these days, football players wear actual helmets, race cars have roll cages, fighters win by domination ..... the pussies.

I'm sure there are some back alleys where 'real fighters' are still willing to risk their lives for your entertainment.
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Sports evolve and change .. goaltenders wear masks these days, football players wear actual helmets, race cars have roll cages, fighters win by domination ..... the pussies.

I'm sure there are some back alleys where 'real fighters' are still willing to risk their lives for your entertainment.
If back alleys mean the pro sports arena of fighting called the UFC then sure.

There are plenty of real fighters in the UFC. Or guys who actually fight.

GSP isn't one. Guida is no longer one. But there are still plenty.
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You'll note that I stated that GSP ought to have finished Hardy and likely could have. I consider that to be one of GSP's poorer performances, alongside the Shields fight. I stand by my comments about Penn, Diaz, Condit, Fitch, and a few others being difficult to finish. Even you said that Diaz is virtually impossible to finish. I don't think many would argue. You take tough fighters, difficult to finish, and put them in with someone who doesn't always wish to take certain risks, and 5 round blowouts are what you get. No matter how you slice it, since GSP won back his belt - in nearly 275 minutes of fighting - he's maybe been in trouble for all of 30 seconds. Why take the risks when his formula is proven and he's STILL the UFC's top draw?

And whether Hendricks blasted Carlos or not, he didn't finish that fight. Nor did he finish Kos. I'd go so far as to say that GSP left more physical injuries on both men than Hendricks did. It just goes to show how difficult certain fighters can be to finish (Kos may no longer belong on this list... time will tell).
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