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bogey_j 03-17-2013 01:48 AM

Tired Of St-Pierre
 
tired of paying for his fights hoping something surprises me. same ol' george. all his fights look the same. not even trying to finish. "reactive not proactive" is fitting. i'm done. i'm DONE with him

mo25 03-17-2013 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bogey_j (Post 1914466)
tired of paying for his fights hoping something surprises me. same ol' george. all his fights look the same. not even trying to finish. "reactive not proactive" is fitting. i'm done. i'm DONE with him

Agreed, possibly one of the most boring champions ever in mma history and one of the most boring fighters as well.

I was rooting for Diaz hard but after that first round where Nick became a turtle I was hoping GSP would KO him.

Dtwizzy2k5 03-17-2013 01:56 AM

I don't understand people who expect anything different. This is what GSP does. It's like buying a Taylor Swift album expecting some heavy metal.
I find GSP to be fun to watch because seeing fighters against him is like watching them try to solve a puzzle for the ultimate fighter. And he really doesnt lay n pray, he's pretty active on the ground going for strikes and submissions occasionally.

mo25 03-17-2013 01:59 AM

I blame Matt Serra.

Ludinator 03-17-2013 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtwizzy2k5 (Post 1914722)
I don't understand people who expect anything different. This is what GSP does. It's like buying a Taylor Swift album expecting some heavy metal.
I find GSP to be fun to watch because seeing fighters against him is like watching them try to solve a puzzle for the ultimate fighter. And he really doesnt lay n pray, he's pretty active on the ground going for strikes and submissions occasionally.

But if Taylor Swift says its going to be heavy metal and you bought it and it wernt would you be pissed?. George often promises stuff and never delivers, he never fights to finish, there's never a risk. Gsp often gets in positions that would allow him to finish and then still plays it safe.

Dtwizzy2k5 03-17-2013 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ludinator (Post 1914818)
But if Taylor Swift says its going to be heavy metal and you bought it and it wernt would you be pissed?. George often promises stuff and never delivers, he never fights to finish, there's never a risk. Gsp often gets in positions that would allow him to finish and then still plays it safe.

That's a fair argument but I never take anything any fighter says pre-fight seriously at all, so you fans kind of have to blame yourselves for buying into what you know is marketing hype. Hype is meant to fool casual fans, but everybody on these forums should know better by now.

FatFreeMilk 03-17-2013 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ludinator (Post 1914818)
But if Taylor Swift says its going to be heavy metal and you bought it and it wernt would you be pissed?. George often promises stuff and never delivers, he never fights to finish, there's never a risk. Gsp often gets in positions that would allow him to finish and then still plays it safe.

:thumb03:

This is my main gripe with this champ.

Parky-RFC 03-17-2013 02:04 AM

GSP is the best tactical fighter in MMA. You find weaknesses in your opponents skill-set and you do your best to exploit them. It's what competition is all about. That's why he's the champ and one of the greatest of all time.

attention 03-17-2013 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FatFreeMilk (Post 1914930)
:thumb03:

This is my main gripe with this champ.

I will 3rd this in agreement...

However...

If it meant losing a huge arse paycheck, I too would "play it safe"

Roflcopter 03-17-2013 02:08 AM

It's more of a problem with the guys GSP's been fighting than GSP himself.

Everyone he's fought has been severely flawed in one large area where GSP is well rounded and can exploit it.

Dating back to his title win


Matt Serra(it's literally Matt Serra)

Jon Fitch (poor striker, shaky defense....one dimensional top control grappler.....beaten up standing and worn down with occasional takedowns)

BJ Penn (grease aside, BJ is a LW who's done poorly at WW which is arguably 25bs heavier than his optimal weight class)

Thiago Alves (very one dimensional...poor defensive wrestling and poor grappling in general....wrestled to death)

Dan Hardy (laughable title contender...poor in most areas...average in striking)

Josh Koscheck(one dimensional wrestler who thinks hes the second coming of Chuck Liddell. Poor striker. Poor fight IQ.
Average jiu-jitsu. Jabbed to death while overusing overhand rights and not trying to wrestle despite ability to take GSP down)

Jake Shields (Average to poor wrestler with abysmal striking. Outstruck in boring point fight)

Carlos Condit (Best guy all around GSP has fought but severely lacking in defensive wrestling.)

Nick Diaz (Poor fight IQ...limited striker....poor defensive wrestling)




IMO Hendricks will be his most interesting challenger since he can strike and wrestle. His submission grappling isnt very good but he can scramble a bit so it's good enough. He just needs to control GSP anyway...not submit him.





Oh and the main point of this post is that I don't believe GSP "plays it safe". I believe he's not that great at any particular area in MMA. He's very good at everything. GSP was never the best wrestler in MMA...that was an extremely distorted half truth. He has the best takedown setups in MMA because he's explosive and because he sets it up so well with his strikes....he has outstanding balance and reactions so he can defend most takedowns for the most part...


But he doesn't hit particularly hard...and he doesn't have great submission acumen....so he doesn't finish fights.


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