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Old 03-18-2013, 02:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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"Is Gsp an average fighter with excellent wrestling."

no, that's Ben Askren.
That's about it.

"GSP is an average fighter with excellent wrestling".

You have to ask yourself, if that's true, why has he been champ so long, when there are plenty of other fighters at ww who have shown at least average "fighting skills" paired with excellent wresting?
What is the variable that keeps him winning? And what is the constant in those victories?

GSP has found a perfect recipe for getting W's in the UFC. The main ingredient, the crucial ingredient- more important than his dominant wrestling, his great defensive BJJ, his effective jabs and SM punches- is what GSP himself brings.

I laugh when people say he is mentally weak. The evidence is all to the contrary.
No one else at WW puts it together as consistantly as he does: game-planning; implementation; focus.

And I humbly submit that no one else at WW is even capable of doing so.

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That's about it.

"GSP is an average fighter with excellent wrestling".

You have to ask yourself, if that's true, why has he been champ so long, when there are plenty of other fighters at ww who have shown at least average "fighting skills" paired with excellent wresting?
What is the variable that keeps him winning? And what is the constant in those victories?

GSP has found a perfect recipe for getting W's in the UFC. The main ingredient, the crucial ingredient- more important than his dominant wrestling, his great defensive BJJ, his effective jabs and SM punches- is what GSP himself brings.

I laugh when people say he is mentally weak. The evidence is all to the contrary.
No one else at WW puts it together as consistantly as he does: game-planning; implementation; focus.

And I humbly submit that no one else at WW is even capable of doing so.

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Great post, agree 100pct with it. Also very hitch-like response, did you read/watch him by chance? If not, it's a compliment to you.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:43 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Its not GSP's wrestling alone that wins him fights (I still feel like a lot of the top guys would beat him in a pure wrestling bout). The guy has incredible transitions. He goes from striking to takedowns faster then anyone else in the game. That is why he is able to take some very high level wrestlers down at will.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:47 PM   #14 (permalink)
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GSP is an excellent fighter who has found a nearly sure fire way to defeat opponents using his physical abilities. His wrestling is top notch but he doesn't rely on it solely to win fights. He also has probably the best jab in mma and uses his striking to keep fighters off balance and has picked apart almost all his opponents while standing up.

He has become somewhat boring because he isn't willing to take risks but if you were in his situation and knew a sure fire way to win without risks wouldn't you fight that way? Would you chance the huge amounts of cash you bring in from being champion and sponsorships etc? If GSP were to lose a few fights he could easily see a decline in his income and that is what he is making sure doesn't happen.

I do wish he would take more risks but until he runs into someone that will force him to do that then he will fight safe. That is why his fights with Fitch and Condit were exciting, they were game opponents who were somewhat competitive all around and they made him work for his wins. This is also one big reasons that I want to see GSP fight Silva still, I want to see what happens. Would GSP fold or would we see him fight tooth and nail and take risks etc to win. How would he do if he wasn't able to get Silva down and had to strike with him. He is a great fighter but has become complacent because it is too easy for him to win.
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After watching Gsp vs Diaz on Saturday night I found my self asking is Gsp only that good because of his wrestling. Don't get me wrong he's great at what he does but after watching over his last few fights he has looked a little average. Gsp was landing some nice jabs on Saturday but he was never following up with a good combo, he never follows up with a fury of punches, his stand up looked pretty weak. He was in some excellent positions on the ground but didn't do anything, is he choosing not to? Or is it because he's not seeing these Opportunitys?. I may be totally wrong here but his stand up looks to have huge holes in his game. He has took abit of damage in his return to the cage, condit dropped him and Diaz bloodied him up quite abit. Out off all the dominate champs I think Gsp is the one who could very well lose first.
I wouldn't say he's average. He is just very conservative which means he doesn't take a lot of risks but also means he has few weaknesses.
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LOL...there is nothing about GSP's skill set that is average.

The one thing GSP doesn't have is natural KO power. His striking is very polished and crisp but he's not a naturally heavy hitter like Robbie Lawler or Hendricks.

And in my opinion GSP's ACL injury has had an effect. He hasn't been as explosive and quick in his last two fights. It could be partly due to getting older but I suspect it's mostly due to his ACL repair.
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GSP standup is not great, but it is still good.
But like Jon Jones does, GSP uses his takedowns to force the opponent to change their game.

Jones or GSP can use their athleticism to throw explosive punches and kicks because no one can take them down.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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After watching Gsp vs Diaz on Saturday night I found my self asking is Gsp only that good because of his wrestling. Don't get me wrong he's great at what he does but after watching over his last few fights he has looked a little average. Gsp was landing some nice jabs on Saturday but he was never following up with a good combo, he never follows up with a fury of punches, his stand up looked pretty weak. He was in some excellent positions on the ground but didn't do anything, is he choosing not to? Or is it because he's not seeing these Opportunitys?. I may be totally wrong here but his stand up looks to have huge holes in his game. He has took abit of damage in his return to the cage, condit dropped him and Diaz bloodied him up quite abit. Out off all the dominate champs I think Gsp is the one who could very well lose first.
The term average and GSP don't belong in the same sentence.

An average fighter does'nt dominate in this sport for over a decade, this is what makes GSP one of the best fighters in the world and in the entire history of MMA.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:35 PM   #19 (permalink)
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No, GSP is not average. He is an elite fighter.
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After watching Gsp vs Diaz on Saturday night I found my self asking is Gsp only that good because of his wrestling. Don't get me wrong he's great at what he does but after watching over his last few fights he has looked a little average. Gsp was landing some nice jabs on Saturday but he was never following up with a good combo, he never follows up with a fury of punches, his stand up looked pretty weak. He was in some excellent positions on the ground but didn't do anything, is he choosing not to? Or is it because he's not seeing these Opportunitys?. I may be totally wrong here but his stand up looks to have huge holes in his game. He has took abit of damage in his return to the cage, condit dropped him and Diaz bloodied him up quite abit. Out off all the dominate champs I think Gsp is the one who could very well lose first.
The more I watch him the more I think he's an absolute machine. Look at the list of guys that he's beaten and it's a gauntlet of badass 170lbers. He doesn't only beat them, he makes them look slow, weak and frustrated. I think he can out strike most of them, but why stand and trade if you're the superior fighter? That brings luck into the equation and gives an inferior fighter a chance (aka punchers chance).
As far as not going for submissions on the ground, submissions involve giving up position and the way he dominates on the ground there's no need to gamble.
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