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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-18-2013, 07:31 AM Thread Starter
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Is Gsp an average fighter with excellent wrestling.

After watching Gsp vs Diaz on Saturday night I found my self asking is Gsp only that good because of his wrestling. Don't get me wrong he's great at what he does but after watching over his last few fights he has looked a little average. Gsp was landing some nice jabs on Saturday but he was never following up with a good combo, he never follows up with a fury of punches, his stand up looked pretty weak. He was in some excellent positions on the ground but didn't do anything, is he choosing not to? Or is it because he's not seeing these Opportunitys?. I may be totally wrong here but his stand up looks to have huge holes in his game. He has took abit of damage in his return to the cage, condit dropped him and Diaz bloodied him up quite abit. Out off all the dominate champs I think Gsp is the one who could very well lose first.

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Sounds a little paradoxical to me.

He has excellent wrestling and a jab that makes everyone not named Carlos Condit move backwards. He fights uncomplicated, keeps things simple, that's for sure.




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I'd say there is a difference between having huge holes in your game and having holes.

I think the difference between his wrestling and striking is more like total dominance vs, a lesser level of dominance.

He has still outstruck everyone he has fought for the majority of the time the fight stays standing. The Diaz fight was a perfect example imo. If you had told Diaz before the fight he would get to be on his feet for fully half the fight, you'd have to think that would be great for him. Well, he still lost, he just didn't lose quite as badly on the feet as he did on the ground.

GSP's striking isn't perfect, not quite as dominant as his wrestling, but it's still been good enough to outstrike the entire division, so I don't think average is the word that comes to mind. If the entire fight with Diaz had been on the feet, he still wins. Same with Alves, etc etc.
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There's nothing average about GSP's skill set. It isn't a lack of skill that keeps GSP from putting it all together. It's a lack of killer instinct. We've all seen GSP's older fights. We all know that his striking and combinations can be a thing of beauty when he wants them to be. The same can be said for his submission game, which he used to lock on in forceful and violent manners.

GSP has the skills and is very good everywhere. It's his mindset that holds him back. He isn't willing to take the risks associated with giving up position and going for a submission or a striking combination. And sometimes that makes him look less complete than he actually is.
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I am ahuge GSP fan and I am in awe of his accomplishments. I'd be the first one to say I'd like to see more exciting fights, see him take some risks but in the end GSP is truly an incredible mixed martial artist.

GSP has endured through, what I estimate, to be 3 generations of MMA fighters, broken down as such:

1. Hughes/ Triggs/ Sherk/ Sera
2. Koscheck/ Fitch/ Alves
3. Condit/ Hardy (not that he's any good)/ Shields

He has continually grown as a fighter to be able to dominate in the welter weight category, which in my opinion is bar far the most stacked division in MMA. Light years ahead of the middle weights.

Now, the only other guy around in the WW division that can lay claim to a similar longevity, ability and growth is Diaz. GSP DOMINATED him from start to finish... complete domination.

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There's nothing average about GSP's skill set. It isn't a lack of skill that keeps GSP from putting it all together. It's a lack of killer instinct. We've all seen GSP's older fights. We all know that his striking and combinations can be a thing of beauty when he wants them to be. The same can be said for his submission game, which he used to lock on in forceful and violent manners.

GSP has the skills and is very good everywhere. It's his mindset that holds him back. He isn't willing to take the risks associated with giving up position and going for a submission or a striking combination. And sometimes that makes him look less complete than he actually is.
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i think losing the title could be the best thing to happen to GSP, the pressure must be overwhelming fighting in his home town/country a lot of the time, the pressure of people expecting you to win etc. Same could be said for silva but different people and different mindsets
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I think he is overrated in some areas, and his wrestling/cardio/strength/athleticism take him a long way. But he is good enough in the other areas to be able to carry out game plans. If he sucked at BJJ he couldn't spend as much time on the ground. If he sucked at striking he wouldn't set up TDs as well.

I think when people say "well GSP is probably the best striker at WW" or "GSP could compete at ADCC tourneys". He probably could compete at those tourneys, but mostly because of his wrestling and control. Askren and Tito have competed at them as well. His striking and BJJ is solid, but it doesn't stand out. GSP I know worked a lot with Tiger MT for the Condit fight...I'm not seeing many strong kicks out of him. His BJJ is a mystery because you could say well look at his control...but how much of that is pure wrestling and strength?

GSP is an all around fighter. But his wrestling and pure athleticism rules the day in his fights. Not sure if that means other aspects are "average" but they are good enough to keep him out of trouble or set up TDs.

People love to bring up how he "beatdown" Kos with a jab. Sure he did. Did you see how bad Kos reacted? Kos is a below average striker. Kos didn't throw any lefts to do anything about the jab He sat with his right cocked and stood right in front of GSP. GSP broke his orbital bone in the middle of teh first round...yet couldn't finish a blind fighter for 4 more of those rounds...A real good striker has more than a jab or superman punch. But it is effective enough to deal with a striker like Kos.
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"Is Gsp an average fighter with excellent wrestling."

no, that's Ben Askren.


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Every time Georges fights he puts on a clinic on how to exploit gaps in his opponents game.

IMO there isn't a mixed martial artist in the world that does it as well as GSP. He is a master at sticking to the game plan. He doesn't get frustrated and because of that, he doesn't make many mistakes.

Combine that with arguably the best wrestling in the game, good movement, boxing, intelligence and awareness and you have someone that is almost unbeatable to anyone whos not a light-heavyweight, heavy-weight or called Anderson Silver.

It would be great to see him take more risks though. As the Conduit fight proved, you can be careful, but sometimes you can still get caught.
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