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Old 03-19-2013, 08:15 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I think the doctors suggesting that hormone replacement allows transitioned women to compete on an even playing field with normal women are completely bias on the subject. The people researching this and giving us their "expert" opinions are the ones profiting from the procedure in the first place.

I might believe this could be the case in a track and field type situation, but not a combat sport.

Allowing transitioned male/female fighters to fight the opposite sex doesn't seem like a good precedence to set, even just considering the amount of idiots out there willing to chop off their dick just to beat up a few females.

Ideally, there would be a trans-league.. But that's probably far off.

As far as Tate goes, I'd say she's well within her rights to refuse a fight against Ms. Fox.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:30 AM   #12 (permalink)
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There's no such thing as "neutral medical data" on the subject, none that will come up whenever this question gets raised anyway.

Every doctor with common sense knows that a trans-gender person without ovaries, female bone structure, female psychology and initial female muscle development is completely different from a woman physically.

Even many transgender people feel that they are not the exact same as women:

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But of course, doctors will give their "neutral" medical opinion for a surgery and lifetime prescription that stands to make them over $100000 per person. Of course it's all the same as a woman, what the heck is Tate talking about?
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I think the doctors suggesting that hormone replacement allows transitioned women to compete on an even playing field with normal women are completely bias on the subject. The people researching this and giving us their "expert" opinions are the ones profiting from the procedure in the first place.

I might believe this could be the case in a track and field type situation, but not a combat sport.

Allowing transitioned male/female fighters to fight the opposite sex doesn't seem like a good precedence to set, even just considering the amount of idiots out there willing to chop off their dick just to beat up a few females.

Ideally, there would be a trans-league.. But that's probably far off.

As far as Tate goes, I'd say she's well within her rights to refuse a fight against Ms. Fox.
The doctors are biased because they are profiting from the procedures? I get the feeling you aren't aware of how this whole situation works, and it's a feeling I can confirm by your statement of "the number of idiots out there willing to chop their dick off to fight females." There is a whole lot of therapy and psychological stuff to go through before HRT or SRS even become options. The doctors are medical professionals, not insurance salesmen they don't falsify facts to convince people to transition. There's a lot of ignorance in this post and that's unfortunate. I do agree with you though that Tate has a right to not fight her, and as I already said props to her and Carmouche for taking a stance on this issue.

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I think this is kinda gross and I don't really blame Miesha Tate for not wanting to fight a transgender, even though I don't like Miesha Tate one bit!!!!
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I think this is kinda gross and I don't really blame Miesha Tate for not wanting to fight a transgender, even though I don't like Miesha Tate one bit!!!!
I think you missed Liza's bolded part in her post. This isn't the place for bashing trans people or trans fighters

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I would like the thread kept relatively civil

The previous Fallon Fox thread had been a total clusterf*ck.
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The previous Fallon Fox thread had been a total clusterf*ck.
So does everyone on staff.

We're keeping an eye on it so everyone keep it clean and calm.
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Also, Rosi brings a good point up in her footnote. The tournament set up is probably the least favourable set up for a fighter in Fallon's situation. I support fighter's rights to reject a fight based on safety concerns, and a fight rejected on such premise shouldn't cost them major career advancement opportunities like would happen in a tournament set up.

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Also, Rosi brings a good point up in her footnote. The tournament set up is probably the least favourable set up for a fighter in Fallon's situation. I support fighter's rights to reject a fight based on safety concerns, and a fight rejected on such premise shouldn't cost them major career advancement opportunities like would happen in a tournament set up.

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Well I'm glad you do, but that's not really a realistic position to hold even outside the tournament setup.

If and when a trans fighter were to become champ of the women's div, then by definition all other female fighters in that division unwilling to take the fight stand to lose out on the most major career achievement of all, the main one that truly matters to them - becoming champ.

If such competition between transgender and born-female athletes is legalized and legitimized then, this is a statistical inevitability. As more and more trans fighters join the sport, all other things being the same, it is inevitable that one of them will eventually become champ.

This is without even considering the possibility that all other things will most likely NOT be the same, and most likely transgender fighters will continue to have physical advantages over born female fighters even after lowering testosterone and receiving a few female hormones. In such a case, a trans fighter becoming champ has even higher likely hood and will happen sooner rather than later.

So while your position is admirable, this really is a case of one or the other, there is no middle ground. Not unless you end the concept of champ and just fight for kicks.
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