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Old 03-23-2013, 01:57 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The real reason is why should they bother testing for it? The commissions are concerned with fairness and safety in sport. It's baffling to me that they would test for ANYTHING if it wasn't directly related to those two core conceps, they are not there to enforce federal law.
i think its directly related to fighter safety. if a stoned fighter has a slower reaction time but can take more punishment due to the numbing effects, he may take an unnecessary beating. again, im pro pot for non athletes. but to dismiss weed as if it had no effects on you is kinda crazy. it would either enhance your peformance, or hurt your peformance. either one is bad.
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i think its directly related to fighter safety. if a stoned fighter has a slower reaction time but can take more punishment due to the numbing effects, he may take an unnecessary beating. again, im pro pot for non athletes. but to dismiss weed as if it had no effects on you is kinda crazy. it would either enhance your peformance, or hurt your peformance. either one is bad.
I personally don't think its unsafe, having trained stoned. Maybe if they are getting waaaaayyy too baked, or if they are unfamiliar/had no tolerance. Possibly. But setting that side, alcohol is out of your system in hours meaning a fighter could fight with a bad hangover undetectably (much more dangerous imo) while a fighter who smoked two weeks prior and entered the cage with perfect mental clarity could be the one that ends up suspended. The system is undeniably flawed and it's not something that can't be fixed.
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how does it matter if they smoke before a fight? It slows reaction time, I highly doubt anyone would ever do that.... more than once
As has been said numerous times, it has both positive & negative effects, and it doesn't necessarily affect everyone the same. Unfortunately, it's not black and white. Still, like I said before, it shouldn't be treated the same as 'roids. Nor should it be OK to fight "under any influence".
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They are not seeing Weed as a performance enhancing drug they are looking at it as a a judgment impairing drug as they wouldn't let a fighter step in the cage drunk. Decisions like taking that extra shot after the bell, holding that choke a little longer, those are decisions that effect the other fighters safety and they want both fighters to have clear heads when those decisions are made.

Its not about pain relief or performance enhancing.
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They are not seeing Weed as a performance enhancing drug they are looking at it as a a judgment impairing drug as they wouldn't let a fighter step in the cage drunk. Decisions like taking that extra shot after the bell, holding that choke a little longer, those are decisions that effect the other fighters safety and they want both fighters to have clear heads when those decisions are made.

Its not about pain relief or performance enhancing.
Commission doctors have actually claimed that it is...

"According to MMAweekly.com, NSAC commission chairman Dr. Tony Alamo stated during Tuesday's hearing in Las Vegas that Diaz's Delta-9-THC (the active ingredient in marijuana) reading was an off-the-charts 175. A test is considered positive when THC levels broach 15, while Nevada holds its standard at 50.

"This creates a unique situation," expressed Alamo.

"I was there at this fight and believe that you were intoxicated, and that it made you numb to the pain," Alamo told Diaz, who was present. "Did it help you win? I think it did.""
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As has been said numerous times, it has both positive & negative effects, and it doesn't necessarily affect everyone the same. Unfortunately, it's not black and white. Still, like I said before, it shouldn't be treated the same as 'roids. Nor should it be OK to fight "under any influence".
I think, and go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong, that it's pretty much proven to inhibit reaction time universally. I know it can help people train because it helps reduce pain but I think the reduction in pain is going to be overridden by the reduced reaction time. Plus, in a fight adrenaline takes over and you don't feel much pain anyways. I just don't see how it's going to help in a fight and I smoke weed all the time.
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Just one random thing, but apparently not? Actually it say it affect 'linear movements' but I don't know what that means.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/600655

Also, there are different kinds of marijuana which have different affects, as well as different physiologies. I know a guy who literally become paralyzed for several hours if he smokes marijuana.

In my own personal experience, I find weed to have amazing initial effects on reaction time, coordination and sometimes physical creativity. We play this ping pong game with adapted rules and two balls, basically the ultimate test of coordination, timing and reflexes. Some of the players definitely get a boost after taking a weed break, as attested by objective, sober onlookers. I've returned balls I definitely could never get if I wasn't blitzed

Again though, I find that weed reduces focus,so if youre not focused on the task you wont get any benefit and like it will be a detriment.

I find the notion that weed reduces physical confidence comes from the fact that people simply don't care, or don't know how to use the high when it comes.
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