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Old 03-23-2013, 07:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
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This is shady. There is no a 0.9 allowance for title fights, there isn't even a 0.1 allowance for title fights. I don't care if one of them was sick, rules are rules and if you don't honor one of them you might as well not honor all of them.
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This is shady. There is no a 0.9 allowance for title fights, there isn't even a 0.1 allowance for title fights. I don't care if one of them was sick, rules are rules and if you don't honor one of them you might as well not honor all of them.
So then you agree that Diaz should be at least DQed from the fight, and probably fired from UFC and suspended from fighting altogether for the two obvious dirty shots he took well after the round ended? "Rules are rules" are they not?


Or are some rules not as 'honourable' as others?

Oh, and how do we know that GSP was over 170? So far all we know is someone claims that the weight allowance rule was relaxed for this fight .. we don't have confirmation that this was actually the case, and if it was actually relaxed whether GSP took advantage of the relaxed rules .. or for that matter whether Diaz took advantage of the relaxed rule as well?

On the other hand we do know that Diaz took cheap shots between rounds, got caught with banned substances in his blood, misses contractual media appearances, and generally exhibits very poor sportsmanship qualities in and out of the ring.

If we are going to start holding 'rule breakers' to account, then who the hell is a more flagrant rule breaker than Nick Diaz? Both in and out of the ring?
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Does make sense. It was fairly obvious that GSP was struggling for weight - he was cranky, made mention of weight cutting being a pain in the ass, and then the apparent fever and injury.

This thread will perform to the same type as most others on here these days though. Diaz fans will cry foul, GSP fans will say so what ?

As a neutral, I don't really like it at all. No other fighters get given special allowances. Or do they ? Many have struggled with weight cuts for equally justifiable reasons as illness and injury. Did any of them ever recieve specialist treatment, or were they all punished ?

I'm glad the fight went ahead, but any shortcut is leading you down a very slippery slope, imo
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So then you agree that Diaz should be at least DQed from the fight, and probably fired from UFC and suspended from fighting altogether for the two obvious dirty shots he took well after the round ended? "Rules are rules" are they not?


Or are some rules not as 'honourable' as others?
The ref decided not to DQ him so the rules were followed. I certainly wouldn't have blamed the ref if he had DQd Nick. That's completely different to making up rules on the fly though.
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The commission would give them the .9 allowance. This could be standard in Montreal and just something nobody mentioned to Diaz's camp. (but something they should have looked into). Different commissions can have slightly different rules, looking at past title fights in Montreal, Thales Leites weighed in at 185 so what are the odds there was no decimal place, GSP weighted 170 against Condit and Koscheck.
And since 2008 None of the weigh ins in Montreal show a decimal in the results. Nobody weighs in at 169.5? Everybody is a round number so to me I think its something that has been in place a long time and yes something GSP was likely aware of already having fought in Montreal previously. While it may have been unfair to Nick at least partial blame could be put on the Diaz camp for not making sure they knew any minor changes instituted by the local commission. Its unair but not malicious.
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The ref decided not to DQ him so the rules were followed. I certainly wouldn't have blamed the ref if he had DQd Nick. That's completely different to making up rules on the fly though.
Really? How so?

Taking shots after the round is a DQing offence, not DQing him was an "on the fly" decision -- twice.

And while the normal rules is "1 lb allowance" for regular fights and "no allowance" for championship fights, there are exceptions to that rule:
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The Commission may also approve catch weight bouts, subject to their review and discretion. For example, the Commission may still decide to allow the contest the maximum weight allowed is 177 pounds if it feels that the contest would still be fair, safe and competitive.

In addition, if one athlete weighs 264 pounds while the opponent weighs 267 pounds, the Commission may still decide to allow the contest if it determines that the contest would still be fair, safe and competitive in spite of the fact that the two contestants technically weighed in differing weight classes.
So the rules were followed here as well (assuming GSP and/or Diaz were actually over the 170lb mark, which has yet to be shown, unlike the cheap shots, which there is no question about.)

Rules that Diaz got away with and no one seems to care:

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But let GSP "abuse" a rule that is actually more to the benefit of Diaz than GSP (if it was violated by only GSP or at all) and guess who gets flack?
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if i were to guess i'd say gsp went to dana with concerns about his weight so they made a last minute adjustment to the rules for him which is why diaz wasn't let in on it until then. looks kind of shady and maybe it is but the fact is every sports league caters to their stars like that. its how you make money.
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I'm wondering why both websites took the articles and video down.

The video wasn't property of the UFC, and they're supposed to be independent news outlets, and articles like these are protected speech.

That's the shady part. with no explanation of the original rule change forthcoming, I''m forced to assume they were somehow bullied into silence. that's far shadier imo than the original issue.
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