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Old 03-24-2013, 09:51 AM   #51 (permalink)
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If anything, it was for Diaz's benefit that GSP be allowed extra time.
I disagree with that. Imagine the fans if GSP didn't make weight. So many MMA fans aren't exactly forgiving, make one mistake and they turn on you. I say it benefited GSP and the UFC more. (If it's true if he was struggling with losing weight)
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Except with the approval of the Commission, or its executive director, the classes for mixed martial arts contests or exhibitions and the weights for each class shall be:

Welterweight over 155 to 170 pounds
Middleweight over 170 to 185 pounds

In non-championship fights, there shall be allowed a 1 pound weigh allowance. In championship fights, the participants must weigh no more than that permitted for the relevant weight division.

Over 170 includes 170.1 so unless they are fighting for the MW title, yes the weigh in rules are set in stone... Only grey area I can see you clutching at is the first section I bolded, but in truth I can't see how a commission can just up the weight by a pound. For a giggle can you tell me how many catch weight TITLE fights there have been in the UFC to date?

Ignorance of MMA is comparing lay and pray to trying to walk through your opponents punches... Do I think GSP's fighting style is boring... Yes I do but more because he has the tools to finish or at least try and finish some of the opponents he has faced and chooses not to. I respect the skills he has in his arsenal I just think it's a shame he chooses not to use them... I just can't understand how you can compare a guy walking forward with his chin in the air as 'safe' in the same way as laying on top of an opponent avoiding nearly all chances to either submit or pass into full guard and GnP someone...

What happened to the biggest beating of Diaz's life we were meant to witness? If I had the time I'd post a picture of the damage a LW in the form of BJ Penn did in 3 rounds compared to the damage the WW champ GSP did in 5...

As for you not posting with emotion but only fact you sure seem heated to me
Does the approval of the commission only apply to non-title fights?
if not then he commission obviously approved it so this whole conversation would be pointless...
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:31 AM   #53 (permalink)

 
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I've seen this crap on another site. Simple fact is, that if they didn't give GSP the extra time, Diaz wouldn't have been in a title fight. If anything, it was for Diaz's benefit that GSP be allowed extra time. It's not like if he missed weight, they'd just cancel the fight, it'd turn into a 5 round non-title fight. The extra time benefited Diaz more than GSP. At least the extra time gave Diaz the opportunity to fight for a title rather than be dominated in a 5 round non-title fight.
This is getting ignored to much as is the fact that every event in Montreal since Serra/GSP has failed to use a decimal at weigh ins. The official records all show even numbers this isn't a coincidence. Secondly somebody in every title fight has weighed in on the line GSP at 170 or Thales Leites at 185. You think they shot it even? Like I said I think maybe Diaz's corner were the ones that messed up by not making sure they knew any regional discrepancies from the normal unified rules.

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I disagree with that. Imagine the fans if GSP didn't make weight. So many MMA fans aren't exactly forgiving, make one mistake and they turn on you. I say it benefited GSP and the UFC more. (If it's true if he was struggling with losing weight)
Really you don't think GSP coming out saying I was sick and struggling but I still wanted to come out here and put on a show for all of you and give Nick Diaz the ass kicking he deserves would have ignited that fans? Hell the UFC could likely spin it to make him MORE popular. I don't think you give those guys enough credit they sold Dan Hardy, Joe Stevenson and Thales Leites as legitimate Contenders in there divisions, selling a sick GSP trying valiantly to make weight and fight is a cake walk...
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:38 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Does the approval of the commission only apply to non-title fights?
if not then he commission obviously approved it so this whole conversation would be pointless...
Yea that's the only grey area atm, I'm trying to find out if this excludes title fights. My reasoning behind it is Travis Lutter failed to make weight by 1.5 pounds for a UFC title fight and it was changed to a 3 round non title fight for this reason. Weird how the commission would allow it for the GSP fight but not the Lutter fight

Commissions may also approve catch weight bouts, subject to their review and discretion. For example, the Commission may still decide to allow the contest if it feels that the contest would still be fair, safe and competitive if a set catch weight is set in advance at 163 pounds, for example.

Catchweight has to be agreed by both parties involved in advance at the very least, so I can't see how telling the Diaz camp in a shady way just to 'keep them in the loop' follows suit with this.

The only thing I can find about catchweight specifically stating about title fights is on wiki and is jumbled in between boxing and mma so how much truth there is in it is always debatable...

Combat sports commonly have defined weight classes with specific weight limits. For example, each boxing division with the exception of heavyweight has its own limits for weight classes, ranging from 105 pounds for minimum weight to 200 pounds for cruiserweight and varying in range in the weight classes in between. In order to fight for a championship in these weight classes the fighters must come in to the fight at or below said weight.

Saying that I'm not saying GSP didn't make weight just that it was shady the way the whole situation was dealt with.
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Rules are rules when Diaz gets busted for "marijuana metabolites" but when it come to established weight guidelines for the poster boy....

Not only would the fight be a non-title fight but Diaz should have been entitled to a percentage of GSP purse.

Who cares about .9 lbs? NSAC the same people that care about banned substances etc. etc.
Exactly. What is .9 lbs? Well what is the tiny micro metabolites of cannabis that were found? Nate Diaz was .6 lbs over for his title fight....yet had to go back and lose that weight and was not benefited from rounding down to 155. Seems like all commissions and all champ fights would go by the same rules. How hard is it to get a decimal scale? I have a decimal scale.

I understand different commissions do slightly different things. And perhaps there is a good explanation for a rep coming up to Diaz an hour beforehand to tell him the rules or new rules of the weigh in.

Rules is rules. When shady things happen in boxing, MMA fans cry foul up and down. But when something like this happens it is no big deal. The double standard is crazy.

I'll be interested to learn what actually went down and what the rules are/were changed too. Hopefully we get an explanation. And hopefully commissions don't have the ability to change rules on the fly.
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Exactly. What is .9 lbs? Well what is the tiny micro metabolites of cannabis that were found? Nate Diaz was .6 lbs over for his title fight....yet had to go back and lose that weight and was not benefited from rounding down to 155. Seems like all commissions and all champ fights would go by the same rules. How hard is it to get a decimal scale? I have a decimal scale.

I understand different commissions do slightly different things. And perhaps there is a good explanation for a rep coming up to Diaz an hour beforehand to tell him the rules or new rules of the weigh in.

Rules is rules. When shady things happen in boxing, MMA fans cry foul up and down. But when something like this happens it is no big deal. The double standard is crazy.

I'll be interested to learn what actually went down and what the rules are/were changed too. Hopefully we get an explanation. And hopefully commissions don't have the ability to change rules on the fly.
Its not the commission that came over and told his they were changing the rules a UFC employee came over to make sure Diaz was aware of the rules in place.


People need to learn to differentiate between the UFC and the AC's
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:28 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Really you don't think GSP coming out saying I was sick and struggling but I still wanted to come out here and put on a show for all of you and give Nick Diaz the ass kicking he deserves would have ignited that fans?
Sure I think some people would have been fired up. On the other hand I think a lot of people would have been crying about how unprofessional GSP is even though he was sick. As everyone knows pro athletes are super human and never get sick or have personal issues.

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Hell the UFC could likely spin it to make him MORE popular. I don't think you give those guys enough credit they sold Dan Hardy, Joe Stevenson and Thales Leites as legitimate Contenders in there divisions, selling a sick GSP trying valiantly to make weight and fight is a cake walk...
You're probably right. I guess I'm extremely negative towards mma fans that switch wagon after their favourite fighter has one defeat or one bad showing.

If GSP had missed weight by a little, personally I'd still be a fan.
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Its not the commission that came over and told his they were changing the rules a UFC employee came over to make sure Diaz was aware of the rules in place.


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So if a "UFC employee came over" and decided to allow GSP to be 5 or 10 lbs over weight NSAC would let it fly..... seems legit

People need to stop justifying the fact that there was blatant favoritism and that it takes away from the integrity of the sport.
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So if a "UFC employee came over" and decided to allow GSP to be 5 or 10 lbs over weight NSAC would let it fly..... seems legit

People need to stop justifying the fact that there was blatant favoritism and that it takes away from the integrity of the sport.
Not all Athletic Commissions use the same standards and rules. This is especially true when you factor in different countries. The UFC employee was making sure Diaz knew the rules in Montreal. It is evident that he didn't. Most fans didn't know them either it seems.

There is no justifying here, there is just common sense.
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Not all Athletic Commissions use the same standards and rules. This is especially true when you factor in different countries. The UFC employee was making sure Diaz knew the rules in Montreal. It is evident that he didn't. Most fans didn't know them either it seems.

There is no justifying here, there is just common sense.
Did you read sg160187 posts on the commissions guidelines for weight classes?

Common sense reveals Canadian favoritism.
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