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Old 03-24-2013, 08:38 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I find it hilarious that posters on this forum think their opinions on what countries/races of people find offensive is even valid.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:50 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I was hoping this 'story' would go unnoticed. Fair play to Korean Zombie for being respectful, but the symbol obviously means something entirely different to GSP (we all know how much he respects martial arts), and Hayabusa sponsors many UFC and other fighters. Frankly, I'm certain everything under the sun could be construed as offensive by people the world over. The 'Rising Sun' symbol means many things to many people. What might represent war crimes in one area of the world clearly represents martial arts in another - why should either side be made to conform to the views of the other?

And the swastika comparison is a bit much. This isn't a case of some skinhead marching around with a swastika tattooed on his forehead. It's a man who covets martial arts wearing a symbol representative of martial arts.

That said, I'm not Korean. I can't appreciate what the symbol means to some. But I'm also open minded enough to know that some views and representations don't translate across continents.
Foreigners not understanding japanese culture doesn't make a symbol representing militance and aggression a karate symbol. You are essentially saying it would be totally cool for GSP to wear a swastika if he decided it represented double leg takedowns. They use it similarly in japan to how some southerners in the USA use the confederate flag.
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Foreigners not understanding japanese culture doesn't make a symbol representing militance and aggression a karate symbol. You are essentially saying it would be totally cool for GSP to wear a swastika if he decided it represented double leg takedowns. They use it similarly in japan to how some southerners in the USA use the confederate flag.
You and I both know that's not what I'm saying. I even addressed talk of the swastika comparison. But I also understand and appreciate your point. I even acknowledged that I don't understand what the symbol means to Koreans and certain other peoples. As someone from a completely different race and background, it'd be impossible for me to understand fully.

That said, your example doesn't really work. The 'Rising Sun' symbol actually is representative of martial arts in many circles/cultures. That doesn't quite compare with GSP spontaneously deciding that a swastika represents a 'double leg'.

Besides, I never made the point that this symbol didn't have a vitriolic meaning to certain peoples. My point was that a symbol can have multiple meanings. The Karate Kid heavily featured this symbol... I'm inclined to believe that said film was more about martial arts than it was subliminal racism (although... lol).

All that aside, I'm sure GSP will take note, reconsider his wardrobe, and everyone will be better off. I appreciate what this symbol means to a large portion of the world, and it probably is better to pick another design. It's a minor concession in the grand scheme of things.
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I find it hilarious that posters on this forum think their opinions on what countries/races of people find offensive is even valid.
I find it hilarious that you automatically discredit everyone opinion because they are posting on this forum.
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You and I both know that's not what I'm saying. I even addressed talk of the swastika comparison. But I also understand and appreciate your point. I even acknowledged that I don't understand what the symbol means to Koreans and certain other peoples. As someone from a completely different race and background, it'd be impossible for me to understand fully.

That said, your example doesn't really work. The 'Rising Sun' symbol actually is representative of martial arts in many circles/cultures. That doesn't quite compare with GSP spontaneously deciding that a swastika represents a 'double leg'.

Besides, I never made the point that this symbol didn't have a vitriolic meaning to certain peoples. My point was that a symbol can have multiple meanings. The Karate Kid heavily featured this symbol... I'm inclined to believe that said film was more about martial arts than it was subliminal racism.
I'm inclined to believe that the people making that film didn't know what it represented since the vast majority of instances where I have seen japanese people using it was for the purposes of douchebaggery much like southerners use the confederate flag.

I am not saying GSP is racist or the people who made the karate kid are(though you could probably make a case for it) but your argument is ludicrous. The rising sun flag was the one used by the troops attacking pearl harbor this has everything to do with whether or not western media latched onto various imagery which doesn't change the acts those images represented. People still use nazi imagery including swastikas in japan and india without associating it with wanting jews dead that doesn't make it cool to do.
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I'm inclined to believe that the people making that film didn't know what it represented since the vast majority of instances where I have seen japanese people using it was for the purposes of douchebaggery much like southerners use the confederate flag.

I am not saying GSP is racist or the people who made the karate kid are(though you could probably make a case for it) but your argument is ludicrous. The rising sun flag was the one used by the troops attacking pearl harbor this has everything to do with whether or not western media latched onto various imagery which doesn't change the acts those images represented. People still use nazi imagery including swastikas in japan and india without associating it with wanting jews dead that doesn't make it cool to do.
I dunno man, the swastika is literally an ancient symbol.

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I dunno man, the swastika is literally an ancient symbol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Cafe

Clearly the hitler portrait was representative of Buddha as well.
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Eh, I bow out of this conversation. I'm looking at this thing from multiple view points, and if I'm just going to be dubbed ludicrous for being open minded (and far from insulting), then there's no sense in being a part of this discussion. It's a touchy subject and I've said what I have to say.
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Yeah, best to leave now - obviously, there's a lot of people who would think that everybody should be offended by the exact same things, regardless of culture/background/experience, etc. Ban everything & live in a bubble, yo.
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Im not offended by anything but Cain's Brown Pride Tattoo....thats literally it. God I hate that guy.
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