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ilir Latifi 27 51.92%
Gegard Mousasi 25 48.08%
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:49 PM   #121 (permalink)
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I'm an enormous Mousasi fan, for years and years and years now, and he has improved a lot and is training legitimately, full time, for the first time in his long career.
No he really hasn't. He looks the same in every fight. I don't buy this he wasn't training full time thing. If he wasn't training full time he's an idiot and no amount of training will overcome that.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:59 PM   #122 (permalink)
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No he really hasn't. He looks the same in every fight. I don't buy this he wasn't training full time thing. If he wasn't training full time he's an idiot and no amount of training will overcome that.
You can be any sort of negative non-fan, it doesn't change facts. GSP and his trainers at Golden Glory have stated that Gegard just "messes around" and doesn't take training seriously. Then he came out in 2012 and said he is training legitimately for the first time. He event went as far as saying he had no idea how hard an MMA training camp was until now.


No matter how much you hate him, he still was the Dream MW, Dream LHW, and Strikeforce LHW with a K1 win over Kyotaro the K1 HW champion. And he's only 27.
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Old 04-06-2013, 09:13 PM   #123 (permalink)
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You can be any sort of negative non-fan, it doesn't change facts. GSP and his trainers at Golden Glory have stated that Gegard just "messes around" and doesn't take training seriously. Then he came out in 2012 and said he is training legitimately for the first time. He event went as far as saying he had no idea how hard an MMA training camp was until now.
Right. Because we can always trust a man's training partners or trainers to tell the truth about him. And we certainly can't ignore it when a fighter attributes all of his earlier craptacular performances to something that is definitely fixed now.

Regardless of whether or not he fights the exact same way since making the changes.

And note how none of the above from you are "facts". They are hearsay.

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No matter how much you hate him, he still was the Dream MW, Dream LHW, and Strikeforce LHW with a K1 win over Kyotaro the K1 HW champion. And he's only 27.
His K1 over Kyotaro is the only accomplishment on here worth bragging about. Dream belts mean little because he was competing in a higher weightclass in asia which means (and reading his record) confirms it was basically a bunch of cans. His only respectable win during that was a fluke ko of Jacare from an upkick in a fight he was losing. Holds about as much weight as being the Kindergarden boxing champion.

And his vaunted Strikeforce title? Won from Renalto Sobral. Wow. What an accomplishment. He koed one of the most koable fighters on the planet who's gameplan is run charging at you with his chin out. It's almost as impressive as beating James Thompson or Bob Sapp! And he failed to defend it even once.

My god... the talent of this man is mind boggling.
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Old 04-06-2013, 09:40 PM   #124 (permalink)
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You're a miserable hater and the kind of guy who makes sports annoying, but I've got no problem schooling you here.

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Right. Because we can always trust a man's training partners or trainers to tell the truth about him. And we certainly can't ignore it when a fighter attributes all of his earlier craptacular performances to something that is definitely fixed now.
Earlier performances? He's had two losses in the last eight years of MMA and kickboxing combined.

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Regardless of whether or not he fights the exact same way since making the changes.

And note how none of the above from you are "facts". They are hearsay.
Except that he hasn't lost, or been in trouble, or taken any damage in any fight since it was stated. You'll say he hasn't faced anyone legitimate since. Well he signed on the line to fight Gustafsson with an injured knee, it was Gus who didn't show up. You act like he's dodging people when he's just been destroying everyone they put infront of him. Think of what his career would be if his first two fights in the UFC were wins against Lombard and Hunt and Jacare.


"Gegard is very raw," said Cleo Ncube, a top Canadian wrestler and one of St. Pierre's closest training partners over the past two-and-a-half years. "He doesn't have a real specific training regimen. He just messes around, which is such an incredible story."

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I guess an obscure training partner has a lot to gain by lying to you about Gegard's training routine. You definitely must know better than he does.

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His K1 over Kyotaro is the only accomplishment on here worth bragging about. Dream belts mean little because he was competing in a higher weightclass in asia which means (and reading his record) confirms it was basically a bunch of cans. His only respectable win during that was a fluke ko of Jacare from an upkick in a fight he was losing. Holds about as much weight as being the Kindergarden boxing champion.

Competing at a higher weightclass? He was the Dream MW champion, a lower weightclass. Then with age he moved up a weightclass and won the Dream LHW belt, which is his current weightclass where he fought tonight. The only times he fought above that class is when he blitzed Mark Hunt and Gary Goodridge. Mark Hunt is a top 10 fighter in the UFC Heavyweight division.

Funny you call a 2 minute first round KO a fluke knockout. Mousasi is notoriously dangerous off his back. He's subbed BJJ blackbelts off his black, tripped a standing Judo blackbelt off his back, hell he won that entire MW tournament off his back.

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And his vaunted Strikeforce title? Won from Renalto Sobral. Wow. What an accomplishment. He koed one of the most koable fighters on the planet who's gameplan is run charging at you with his chin out. It's almost as impressive as beating James Thompson or Bob Sapp! And he failed to defend it even once.

My god... the talent of this man is mind boggling.
Do you think he KO'd Babalu because Babalu was running at him? Clearly you've never seen the fight. Your ignorance and excessive hyperbole makes it obvious you're talking out of your element and grasping at straws to justify your hate for Mousasi. Maybe next time just try saying "I don't like him" instead of trying to make things up.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:27 PM   #125 (permalink)
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Well since you flat twisted my words without invalidating any of them I'm just going to ignore you. You say that I am the kind of guy who makes sports annoying. No. I am a realistic and educated fan. You are a raving fanboy who twists peoples words. Which is worse?
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Old 04-07-2013, 04:16 AM   #126 (permalink)
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i like gegard

i like his entrance music too

im sure he will show more in future
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Old 04-07-2013, 05:39 AM   #127 (permalink)
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Who cares what guys who've trained with him say? Gegard does want to succeed in the UFC, turned up sharp and in great shape, had obviously prepared well. The opponent he was given was top 5 and on an absolute warpath, a dangerous and unique opponent for everyone... then a week before the fight he gets pulled, replaced by a completely different fighter.

Gegard has been hugely impressive here. Perseveres, gets the job done, no complaining, waits until after the fight to tell everyone he needs knee surgery.

Also now the fight is over, I'm pleased to say that Latifi did much better than many 'bums' would. Took everything Mousasi could be bothered to give him for three rounds, landed a couple SOLID punches, and managed to not gas too bad - he went for broke in the third with that takedown. Don't be surprised to see him get a little contract off Dana.
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:08 AM   #128 (permalink)
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My god... the talent of this man is mind boggling.
You can say he's overrated or whatnot but can't really say he isn't talented. Based on what?
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Mousasi didnt impress me at all, feel like this could be another hyped fighter that comes to the UFC like Hector Lombard. Maybe we have to see another fight with Mousasi but based on his performance last night, he got nothing on Gus, Machida, Jones imo.

I hope Gus gets a new fight soon, Machida maybe? And then he gets a title shot in summer. Would be awesome
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Mousasi did good. He:
  • Had nothing to gain, everything to lose
  • Went from a tall, lanky guy prolly looking to strike with him to a stocky wrestler in a few days notice
  • Required surgery before the fight

He did what he was supposed to do imo.
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