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Old 03-29-2013, 11:22 AM   #11 (permalink)
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No offence, my friend, but the fact that you chose Wand and Henderson over Sonnen proves to me that you legitimately just don't like the man, and that blatantly clouds your judgement. You can tell me that's not the case, but it's clear as day. Just using plain old fashioned sense should tell you that Sonnen would easily outwrestle Hendo and Wand, cruising to a UD.

I'm sorry it makes you 'sick' that some people can see passed their own personal distaste for a fighter.
Sersiously? You people are so delusional if you think Hendo couldn't knock Sonnens face off. The man just went on an epic run that Chael Sonnen could only dream about, Chael Sonnen could put plaster in his gloves and still not possess the ability to even phase Hendo. He would have to put Hendo on his back for the entire fight. I think the old man can find that chin, Sonnen ain't running away like Machida. He will come forward and eventually get KTFO.

How picking Hendo over Chael Sonnen is controversial in any way says a hell of a lot more about you guys then is does me. ******* unreal how this man is overrated. He has struggled with much lesser fighters then the men listed.
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Chael Sonnen vs Machida - Tough one. Could see it going either way.

Chael Sonnen vs Bader

Chael Sonnen vs Gustafsson

Chael Sonnen vs Mousasi

Chael Sonnen vs Feijao

Chael Sonnen vs Rashad - Would have said Rashad if that Lil Nog fight didn't happen. No idea on this one.

Chael Sonnen vs Glover - Can see it going either way.

Chael Sonnen vs Te Huna

Chael Sonnen vs Matt Hamill

Chael Sonnen vs Rich Franklin

I think it is pretty obvious you hate Sonnen when you actually think that Wanderlei, Shogun, Franklin and Matt Fecking Hamill will beat Sonnen.
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Sersiously? You people are so delusional if you think Hendo couldn't knock Sonnens face off. The man just went on an epic run that Chael Sonnen could only dream about, Chael Sonnen could put plaster in his gloves and still now possess the ability to even phase Hendo. He would have to put Hendo on his back for the entire fight. I think the old man can find that chin, Sonnen ain't running away like Machida. He will come forward and eventually get KTFO.

How picking Hendo over Chael Sonnen is controversial in any way says a hell of a lot more about you guys then is does me. ******* unreal how this man is overrated. He has struggled with much lesser fighters then the men listed.
First, relax. You're making yourself look like an arse getting as upset as you are. Second, I don't base my choices off of 'delusion'. Yes, Henderson could find Chael's chin. That's more than possible. But Dan could also get taken down and be entirely useless off of his back for three rounds. Jake Shields - Jake bloody Shields - ate a vicious H-Bomb and still managed to take Henderson down and control him with relative ease for four rounds. And I'm to believe that Chael Sonnen, a world class wrestler, could not do the same for three rounds? I stand by my original choice. Putting Henderson on his back for an entire fight is not impossible, as it's been done in the past by lesser grapplers than Sonnen.

You think Sonnen is overrated. I and others don't and won't. That's the beauty of opinion, but again, your blatant overreactions and the fact that you're legitimately getting riled up over something so trivial proves to me just how biased you are. I'm a massive Sonnen fan, but you'll note that even I admitted that he'd lose against and have trouble with certain fighters. Whereas you essentially believe he'd lose to pretty much everyone. And anytime someone says otherwise, you fly off at the handle and talk about how ill it makes you, and how delusional the rest of us must be. What's the point of that style of debate?

I think this, but you think that, and so I'm delusional and wrong... yeah, I'll be showing myself out.
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Chael Sonnen vs Chris Weidman
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Chael Sonnen vs Chris Weidman - no idea ... make it happen!!!
Chael Sonnen vs Vitor Belfort
Chael Sonnen vs Hector Lombard
Chael Sonnen vs Jacare - very tough call I think
Chael Sonnen vs Luke Rockhold
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Chael Sonnen vs Mousasi - Mousasi via beating Chael up from the guard and then losing another bad decision
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Chael Sonnen vs Rashad - Chael via Rashad being with the Blackzillians
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12-6-2 in favor of Sonnen for me I guess.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:37 AM   #16 (permalink)
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First, relax. You're making yourself look like an arse getting as upset as you are. Second, I don't base my choices off of 'delusion'. Yes, Henderson could find Chael's chin. That's more than possible. But Dan could also get taken down and be entirely useless off of his back for three rounds. Jake Shields - Jake bloody Shields - ate a vicious H-Bomb and still managed to take Henderson down and control him with relative ease for four rounds. And I'm to believe that Chael Sonnen, a world class wrestler, could not do the same for three rounds? I stand by my original choice. Putting Henderson on his back for an entire fight is not impossible, as it's been done in the past by lesser grapplers than Sonnen.

You think Sonnen is overrated. I and others don't and won't. That's the beauty of opinion, but again, your blatant overreactions and the fact that you're legitimately getting riled up over something so trivial proves to me just how biased you are. I'm a massive Sonnen fan, but you'll note that even I admitted that he'd lose and have trouble with certain fights. You essentially feel he'd lose to pretty much everyone, and anytime someone says otherwise, you fly off at the handle and talk about how ill it makes you, and how delusions the rest of us are. What's the point to that style of debate?

I think this, but you think that, and so I'm delusions and wrong... yeah, I'll be showing myself out.
I ain't even mad bro, this isn't that serious. But I think it's crazy that picking Hendo over Chael would be in any way shape or form a controversial pick. Seriously Hendo has a chance to win any fight he is in...except maybe vs Spider. But everyone else in the World can get put down. How is it a stretch to think that Hendo could beat Sonnen? That I can't wrap my head around. You specifically called me out on that matchup. Now the Wand call out I get. But Hendo? I think you are the one overreacting on that one.

Sonnen isn't some undefeated monster and unstoppable grappler. He can't put everyone down for the entire fight. I've seen him struggle to get and keep people down.
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It seriously makes me sick how people view Sonnen. It's baffling.

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Chael Sonnen vs Luke Rockhold
Chael Sonnen vs Wanderlei
Chael Sonnen vs Costas Philippou
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Chael Sonnen vs Shogun
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Chael Sonnen vs Machida
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Chael Sonnen vs Rashad
Chael Sonnen vs Glover
Chael Sonnen vs Te Huna
Chael Sonnen vs Matt Hamill
Chael Sonnen vs Rich Franklin
This just reeks of bias. I'm not a huge Chael fan either but suggesting that he wouldn't beat most of these guys is just plain ridiculous. You know very well that I can't stand Nick Diaz and think he's one of the most overrated fighters in the sport, but if you gave me a similar list of WW's odds are I would favor Diaz in most of those contests.

It's okay not to like a fighter, that's part of what this sport is about, but if you don't think Sonnen could beat the likes of Wanderlei, Griffin, Hamill and Philppou then I would respectfully request you reconsider your analysis without bias.
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After seeing how dominantly Chael was able to implement his game plan over Yushin Okami and Nate Marquardt, and Silva in their first fight the former being a very strong grappler, the later having a solid enough base and strength that it means a lot to have been smothered the way he was makes me think Chael would out work most of the guys in this list, especially fighters like Wanderlei and Shogun who would gas pretty quickly beneath a guy with that kind of work ethic.

Chael Sonnen vs Chris Weidman
Chael Sonnen vs Vitor Belfort (Johnson was able to hold Vitor down until he gassed himself out, I see no reason Chael wouldn't be able to do the same minus the gassing)
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This just reeks of bias. I'm not a huge Chael fan either but suggesting that he wouldn't beat most of these guys is just plain ridiculous. You know very well that I can't stand Nick Diaz and think he's one of the most overrated fighters in the sport, but if you gave me a similar list of WW's odds are I would favor Diaz in most of those contests.

It's okay not to like a fighter, that's part of what this sport is about, but if you don't think Sonnen could beat the likes of Wanderlei, Griffin, Hamill and Philppou then I would respectfully request you reconsider your analysis without bias.
It goes well beyond not like Chael Sonnen. It's about watching him fight and not thinking he is that good really. In my honest opinion he is probably the 4th or 5th best MW in the World right now. But at LHW? I don't think he cracks the top 20 and I don't think I'm stretching by saying these things. I am pleased that just about everyone realized that Jacare would do him just as bad or worse then Maia did him. But I don't understand why people think he can just hold down these larger men for the entire fight. What have you guys seen that makes you think he can blanket these fighters? They are bigger, stronger and just better fighters then the men that Chael has done that to. Forget Chael's personality and how I feel about him. I feel he is extremely overrated as a fighter. Watching him fight, I have no idea how he gets the love he does as a fighter.
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