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Old 03-29-2013, 10:50 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I love Rich Franklin. My absolute favorite fighter ever. Only Cain and Faber even come close to the level of fandom I have for Rich. But I'll be the first to admit, Sonnen would WRECK Franklin at this stage.
Why would you say that? Rich is game vs anyone that can't knock him out and Chael can't knock him out. Rich has very good TDD and is a much, much better standup fighter then Sonnen. I think he is a bad matchup for Chael. To beat Rich you need KO power or you need to have better standup. It's very hard to beat Rich by holding him down. How often have we seen that happen?
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are we basing this on current or are we basing this on their prime?

like i think he could take wanderlei currently, but middle of Pride wanerlei would be too fast.... the knees and punches would have chael out before the double leg attempt finished.
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Why would you say that? Rich is game vs anyone that can't knock him out and Chael can't knock him out. Rich has very good TDD and is a much, much better standup fighter then Sonnen. I think he is a bad matchup for Chael. To beat Rich you need KO power or you need to have better standup. It's very hard to beat Rich by holding him down. How often have we seen that happen?
LOL Chael would be on top of Rich all night. and win the decision. He wouldn't stop a lot of the guys on the list but he beats a good amount. I'll edit my post and add my thoughts when I get the chance
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are we basing this on current or are we basing this on their prime?

like i think he could take wanderlei currently, but middle of Pride wanerlei would be too fast.... the knees and punches would have chael out before the double leg attempt finished.
Current. In their prime most of these guys would maul Sonnen badly. Prime Shogun would put Chael in a coma.
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LOL Chael would be on top of Rich all night. and win the decision. He wouldn't stop a lot of the guys on the list but he beats a good amount. I'll edit my post and add my thoughts when I get the chance
Name 1 time someone beat Rich Franklin in his entire career by holding him down for 3 rounds. Name 1 time. Rich Franklin has one the toughest resumes in all of MMA. Yet he has never even 1 time lost a fight by being on his back for 3 rounds.
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Name 1 time someone beat Rich Franklin in his entire career by holding him down for 3 rounds. Name 1 time. Rich Franklin has one the toughest resumes in all of MMA. Yet he has never even 1 time lost a fight by being on his back for 3 rounds.
forrest griffin did it
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Why would you say that? Rich is game vs anyone that can't knock him out and Chael can't knock him out. Rich has very good TDD and is a much, much better standup fighter then Sonnen. I think he is a bad matchup for Chael. To beat Rich you need KO power or you need to have better standup. It's very hard to beat Rich by holding him down. How often have we seen that happen?
I agree that Rich is tough and a much better striker than Chael, but I don't think Rich has the TDD to stop Sonnen at MW or LHW. The reason we haven't seen Franklin get held down is because he's never really faced a high level wrestler. Henderson's top control is overrated and stood with Rich (I thought Rich won that fight pretty convincingly too) for most of the fight. We saw Forrest Griffin control Rich on the ground not tremendously long ago, althuogh I agree there was a massive size difference.

Like I said I love me some Rich and if we were talking about prime Franklin vs. Sonnen then my opinion would be different, but today's Sonnen beats today's Rich, sadly.
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Sersiously? You people are so delusional if you think Hendo couldn't knock Sonnens face off. The man just went on an epic run that Chael Sonnen could only dream about, Chael Sonnen could put plaster in his gloves and still not possess the ability to even phase Hendo. He would have to put Hendo on his back for the entire fight. I think the old man can find that chin, Sonnen ain't running away like Machida. He will come forward and eventually get KTFO.

How picking Hendo over Chael Sonnen is controversial in any way says a hell of a lot more about you guys then is does me. ******* unreal how this man is overrated. He has struggled with much lesser fighters then the men listed.
Of course Henderson could find anyones chin and knock him out, but that's happening mostly only if his opponents stay at striking range which Sonnen usually doesn't. Sonnen tugs his chin and drives through the danger zone and than gets the TD.

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Chael Sonnen vs Vitor Belfort (Johnson was able to hold Vitor down until he gassed himself out, I see no reason Chael wouldn't be able to do the same minus the gassing)
Yes, Johnson was able to hold Belfort down, but he was also way heavier than Belfort. Johnson walks around at HW (~235lb) and the fight originally was set to be at MW, which Johnson missed, so Belfort agreed before fightnight to do it at a catch weight for which he actually wasn't prepared.
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He held Ace down for 3 rounds? Amazing that he still lost a round and almost lost the fight...
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Why would you say that? Rich is game vs anyone that can't knock him out and Chael can't knock him out. Rich has very good TDD and is a much, much better standup fighter then Sonnen. I think he is a bad matchup for Chael. To beat Rich you need KO power or you need to have better standup. It's very hard to beat Rich by holding him down. How often have we seen that happen?
Uh...Griffin Vs Franklin?

Griffin did it for a round. Sonnen will do it for all three.
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