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Old 03-31-2013, 07:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Rory is by far my favorite guy. I'm just worried about his health. He seems to get injured too much for a guy so young
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Not always. If a guy is strong enough you aren't going to be able to do what you want on the ground. Brock vs. Mir is a good example of this. Mir is 100x, 500x, even 1000x better on the ground than Brock could ever be, but Brock very easily controlled him with raw strength and very basic technique.

I would say if the strength margin isn't that big, someone is stronger but not THAT much stronger, then yeah the strength doesn't really matter. However if a guy IS that much stronger, then yes, strength can overpower and outweigh the technique.
Brock was stronger and heavier, sure, but more importantly he had dominant position A lot of people complain about the judging criteria allowing wrestlers to just stay on top, but the fact is that top position provides a huge advantage in MMA.

When you're on the bottom you have to hope the other guy makes a critical mistak, and be good enough to capitalize on it. When you're on top you just have to avoid making critical mistakes.


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Rory is by far my favorite guy. I'm just worried about his health. He seems to get injured too much for a guy so young
A part of me feels like Rory so badly wants to be the best that he tries to keep up with GSP during training, and very people can train like GSP does. GSP rushed back from injury too soon, causing further damage and prolonging his return. Rory's now just done the same thing. I admire his determination and drive, but Rory should listen to his own body.

Granted, this is just me thinking out loud.
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Yes...."injured"
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Not always. If a guy is strong enough you aren't going to be able to do what you want on the ground. Brock vs. Mir is a good example of this. Mir is 100x, 500x, even 1000x better on the ground than Brock could ever be, but Brock very easily controlled him with raw strength and very basic technique.

I would say if the strength margin isn't that big, someone is stronger but not THAT much stronger, then yeah the strength doesn't really matter. However if a guy IS that much stronger, then yes, strength can overpower and outweigh the technique.
Well yes, in a division where you can weigh between 205-260 pounds strength can play a major roll simply because one guy can weigh 40-50 pounds more which is pretty much what we saw in that fight. But brock is not some slouch on the ground. Sure in a pure jj match mir is going to beat brock to no oblivion, but brock does have great wrestling technique which allowed him to get the takedowns and get in good control and keep it. If brock didnt have the wrestling advantage, his size wouldnt matter much which is exactly what cain showed us.

Which is pretty much exactly what your second point is stating. In a divisions other than HW, you will rarely see someone win directly because they are just that much stronger. The only exceptions to that are guys like diaz or bj who dont really weight train and could easily make lighter weight classes. But in the traditional cut 10-20 pounds you will rarely see such strength advantages but rather people dominating by their technique and talent.
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Well yes, in a division where you can weigh between 205-260 pounds strength can play a major roll simply because one guy can weigh 40-50 pounds more which is pretty much what we saw in that fight. But brock is not some slouch on the ground. Sure in a pure jj match mir is going to beat brock to no oblivion, but brock does have great wrestling technique which allowed him to get the takedowns and get in good control and keep it. If brock didnt have the wrestling advantage, his size wouldnt matter much which is exactly what cain showed us.

Which is pretty much exactly what your second point is stating. In a divisions other than HW, you will rarely see someone win directly because they are just that much stronger. The only exceptions to that are guys like diaz or bj who dont really weight train and could easily make lighter weight classes. But in the traditional cut 10-20 pounds you will rarely see such strength advantages but rather people dominating by their technique and talent.
In the same division outside of HW strength is never an issue at all. Your comment was technique > strength always, I was just pointing out that strength can overpower and outweigh technique in a fight, technique is not always superior to strength.

I agree that in a 10 pound weight difference it doesn't matter much, but that's because the amount of strength difference is minor, which is why I said if someone is a little stronger then it doesn't matter, but if they are A LOT stronger, it does, and someone who is much stronger can use that strength to power out of and control what happens on the ground.

Technique really does only get you so far, in sanctioned MMA divisions technique matters more then strength because of the division limit, but in the grand scheme of things strength is a giant contributor to a fight and can definitely be more important than technique, weight divisions are there for a reason.
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Wow, beautiful Mills got destroyed!! I wonder though, because they have similar physiques, yet Rory completely annihilated Mills!! Was Rory stronger than Mills? Mills seems like a pretty strong guy...

At first I thought it was because Mills had no ground game, but he seemed to be doing everything right on the ground, and I would know having done BJ extensively for 2 years. But Rory completely controlled him. Rory i was always a fan of, but he became uber cooler to me after that fight, and showed why BJJ is the most important aspect of MMA.

Anybody else have any thoughts about this fight and why it went down the way it did?
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