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Old 04-07-2013, 04:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ref Stand Ups Awful!

MMA should be left pure without referee intervention (unless something illegal has been done)

Watching the 1st prelim fight of UFC on FX 9... Abedi was dominating on the ground, staying active elbowing/punching etc and that idiot ref just keeps shouting "stay active, activity, activity guys..." and then stands them up... even though Abedi was working hard.

He earned the position let him keep it.

If a fighter chooses to use a strategy for eg that he will blitz the opponent and use a lot of energy in a short burst.. then maybe his backup plan is a take down if his blitz didnt get a KO.. to recover his energy, if the ref interferes and stands them up, he doesnt recover, and the ref effectively makes him lose the fight. THis is just one eg.

I believe these standups are only happening because the UFC wants to grovel to the mainstream fans who only want to see a chaotic bar room brawls with no technique/strategy. "Exciting fights" I believe they call it.

The fans shouldnt tell the fighters how to fight.. it should be the fighters and commentators educating the fans.
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think that if a fighter seems to be stalling either from bottom or top position or against the fence then the fight should be stood up. I don't mind fights taking place on the ground or up the fence at all, as long as there is a fight on the ground or against the fence.
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Old 04-07-2013, 11:14 AM   #3 (permalink)
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MMA should be left pure without referee intervention (unless something illegal has been done)

Watching the 1st prelim fight of UFC on FX 9... Abedi was dominating on the ground, staying active elbowing/punching etc and that idiot ref just keeps shouting "stay active, activity, activity guys..." and then stands them up... even though Abedi was working hard.

He earned the position let him keep it.

If a fighter chooses to use a strategy for eg that he will blitz the opponent and use a lot of energy in a short burst.. then maybe his backup plan is a take down if his blitz didnt get a KO.. to recover his energy, if the ref interferes and stands them up, he doesnt recover, and the ref effectively makes him lose the fight. THis is just one eg.

I believe these standups are only happening because the UFC wants to grovel to the mainstream fans who only want to see a chaotic bar room brawls with no technique/strategy. "Exciting fights" I believe they call it.

The fans shouldnt tell the fighters how to fight.. it should be the fighters and commentators educating the fans.
Stand ups will continue to happen, and need to happen if a fighter is simply laying on top of his opponent doing nothing. Having said that, I didn't see last nights fights so I can't comment on the fight you're referring to. However I can tell you that is 100% true when Dana says the UFC has no control of the officials or their actions. If the refs are standing people up, it's because it's either: the right thing to do, they're giving into the crowd booing what they think is a "boring" ground fight, or they simply don't understand ground fighting. Which addmittedly, the last of those three is probably all to common.

In my opinion though, their are probably not enough stand ups. I say that acknowledging that I come from a kickboxing background and I am more of a fan of striking, but I full understand the ground game and it's use.
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Old 04-07-2013, 11:44 AM   #4 (permalink)
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fighter A can just take fighter B back down to the ground. If they can't, it isn't the refs fault.
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I actually don't think there should be ANY standups. There should however be point or purse deductions for stalling. Lay and praying? 10% purse deduction, but the action continues on the ground.
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I actually hope they are working towards faster stand ups. From what I've seen over the last couple years in MMA is a vast majority of fighters are playing it way too safe on the ground. Their is to much stalling and not enough action.

I personally want to see some GNP or some nice transitions while they are down on the mat. If they are just Clay Guiding it down their, stand them up.
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I actually don't think there should be ANY standups. There should however be point or purse deductions for stalling. Lay and praying? 10% purse deduction, but the action continues on the ground.
totally agree.
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Thought I was going to have a stroke when that bafoon stood Okami up in side control against Belcher.


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Old 04-07-2013, 01:49 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Yeah, me too. Fights should never be stood up from side control or mount IMO...
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only should be considered in full guard or half guard; if the top is trapped in a rubber guard, do not get involved.

side control, north-south, full mount = totally off limits.

purse deduction would be useless if you're still getting a win bonus for top control the whole fight.

stand ups are necessary or this just devolves into those long famous 6 hour bjj matches wear you're waiting for the other person to make an attempt to move and counter into a lock..... which while beautiful, are not commercially successful.
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