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post #41 of 62 (permalink) Old 04-13-2013, 09:53 PM
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Blow to the back of the head knocked him out and the big one. Very dangerous stuff and I dont like it. He wants bonus for it, sure..
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Were they directly to the back?

You can hit the back of the head as long as it isn't the Mohawk area exactly in the center.
He hit it no matter how you break it down, heck one hit right on the base of the spine which I believe is the whole point of that rule to begin with.




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Were they directly to the back?

You can hit the back of the head as long as it isn't the Mohawk area exactly in the center.
Well if he had a slim mowhawk then id say it was only the last one but the others in my eyes were really close.

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That was a DQ if I ever saw one. The first two elbows looked like they were on the ear, the third appeared to graze the back of the head and the following two were just blatant illegal shots.




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Anybody ever see a knockout like that with the back against the fence. Interesting.

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I would say they were legal until Gonzaga was already unconscious.



As you can see Gonzaga was clearly out after the 3rd elbow. The 4th one was close and the last 2 were to the back of the head but that was because Gonzaga's unconcious head fell down so it was directly in the path of Browne's elbows.

Browne probably should have stopped when Gonzaga went limp but the ref could have been a little quicker as well.
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Were they directly to the back?

You can hit the back of the head as long as it isn't the Mohawk area exactly in the center.
They describe it as: If you are wearing headphones, it's anywhere behind them. All but one elbow in the flurry counts as illegal.


Doesn't matter if the KO ones were legal anyway. The rules are for fighter safety, not to determine who wins and loses. Browne executed several dangerous illegal moves and should be penalized.

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They describe it as: If you are wearing headphones, it's anywhere behind them. All but one elbow in the flurry counts as illegal.


Doesn't matter if the KO ones were legal anyway. The rules are for fighter safety, not to determine who wins and loses. Browne executed several dangerous illegal moves and should be penalized.
Wrong, the definition as per the NSAC website states the following.

"No direct striking attacks are allowed to the spine or the back of the head. A direct strike is an aimed and executed attack to the area. The back of the head is considered the direct center of the head with 1 inch of tolerance to either side."

All but the last 2 strikes were legal by their explanation due to area and the last 2 strikes are legal because Browne was intending to strike the side of Gonzaga's head but Gonzaga going unconscious caused his head to fall into a dangerous position.

Here are the rules and interpretations fyi.

http://boxing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/b...ERIA_01-13.pdf
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Wrong, the definition as per the NSAC website states the following.

"No direct striking attacks are allowed to the spine or the back of the head. A direct strike is an aimed and executed attack to the area. The back of the head is considered the direct center of the head with 1’ inch of tolerance to either side."

All but the last 2 strikes were legal by their explanation due to area and the last 2 strikes are legal because Browne was intending to strike the side of Gonzaga's head but Gonzaga going unconscious caused his head to fall into a dangerous position.

Here are the rules and interpretations fyi.

http://boxing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/b...ERIA_01-13.pdf

That's confusing as basically every source claims there's a compromised rule combining the Headphone standard and Mohawk Standard since 2009:

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The Committee has found a compromise between the Mohawk definition and the headphones definition. The Committee recommends a nape of the neck definition. Basically, the group concluded that a strike that touches the ear is generally acceptable. Strikes are not permissible in the nape of the neck area up until the top of the ears. Above the ears, permissible strikes do not include the Mohawk area from the top of the ears up until the crown of the head. The crown of the head is found where the head begins to curve. In other words, strikes behind the crown of the head and above the ears are not permissible within the Mohawk area. Strikes below the top of the ear are not permissible within the nape of the neck area.


Herb Dean also claims the Headphone standard:

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“Ears back is considered the back of the head,” said Dean. “Like if you’re wearing headphones and they’re going up over the top of the head, so anything that’s behind the ears would be the foul area… It can be on the side of the head, but if it’s behind the ears it’s considered the back of the head.”

“That’s something we’ve only been enforcing in MMA as the back of the head for about the last two years.[article from 2008] That started when MMA became legalized in California,” Dean explained. “Dr. Paul Wallace came to a referee seminar that we were doing and explained to us, diagrammed and explained to us what is supposed to be the back of the head. I talked to him in detail about it and then I talked to Armando Garcia, who is executive director, and he said, ‘that’s what we want to be enforced for the back of the head, from the ears back.’”
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That's confusing as basically every source claims there's a compromised rule combining the Headphone standard and Mohawk Standard since 2009:





Herb Dean also claims the Headphone standard:



http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ys-mmaweek063008
The mohawk standard is pretty much the NSAC's definition on their website(1 inch either way of the center of the back of the head).

I have no idea where the headphone standard came from other then some peoples(possibly including Herb Dean) interpretations of the rule as many consider that to be the back of the head.

What they actually enforce etc I am not sure but considering the NSAC has their rules right on the website it is pretty cut and dry what would hold up if a case were made of this.
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