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post #11 of 40 (permalink) Old 04-09-2013, 08:21 PM
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He was once considered the best striker in MMA. Then he was considered the best at HW. Then he was considered up there. Now he is running off training with elite kickboxers again all of a sudden.

Safe to say he and his fans thought he was a better striker than he really was, based mostly around the fact that he won K-1 by drawing a good hand and fighting beat up fighters. Oh, and puffy gloves to protect his face and love forward to bully his opponents.
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Overeem and Hari in the same gym?
Well Badr got his revenge and they don't compete in the same sport anymore so I doubt it will be an issue.
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...Yeah goodbye Blackzilians. I vowed not to change my cheesy avatar pic of Reem getting plowed by Chuck until he redeems himself with a clean test and most of all...One of the world's top strikers now has his back to the wall by not following basic rule #1..." Keep ya hands up dude..."

"We fight in the cage. He talk a lotta shit outside the cage and I say hey--I'm going to make you respect me brother"...Antonio Silva after dropping Reem like a trash bag.
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Gokhan Saki is the man. The way he beat Ghita down was amazing.



Back on topic, stupid move for Overeem. The last thing he needs is to be playing around in a kickboxing gym all day. I'm not sure what'd fix his problems though. He's like the Brandon Vera of HW.


Except that when Vera was at HW he was wrecking face... so he's like the Brandon Vera at LHW of HW... yeah.
Brandon Vera I would argue that he is more like the Martin Kampmann the guy just had to find away to lose, hell my opponents only chance is if he lands a big bomb so I better put my hands down and give him that opportunity. Kampmann's looking at him and questioning his gameplan against Bigfoot.




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I don't know if it matters whether Overeem's hands are up or down.

He's used to blocking strikes with bigger boxing gloves. Werdum consistently punched around & through his guard even when his hands were up.
It does. Of course, hands up won't protect him 100%, but against Silva and most of the HWs it would help him a lot. Werdum punched through his guard, because Werdum used a pretty technical boxing approach with lots of jabs and straights (yet he still couldn't KO Overeem), but most other HWs use rather overhand rights and heavy swinging punches from the outside. Against those, Overeem's rather wide guard protects pretty good.
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It does. Of course, hands up won't protect him 100%, but against Silva and most of the HWs it would help him a lot. Werdum punched through his guard, because Werdum used a pretty technical boxing approach with lots of jabs and straights (yet he still couldn't KO Overeem), but most other HWs use rather overhand rights and heavy swinging punches from the outside. Against those, Overeem's rather wide guard protects pretty good.
The power of straight punches is more technique based as well which made Werdums punches not do shit to Overeem. It was a good strategy for that fight but if a Werdum had a really good jab Overeem would have gotten busted up badly fighting that way.
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It does. Of course, hands up won't protect him 100%, but against Silva and most of the HWs it would help him a lot. Werdum punched through his guard, because Werdum used a pretty technical boxing approach with lots of jabs and straights (yet he still couldn't KO Overeem), but most other HWs use rather overhand rights and heavy swinging punches from the outside. Against those, Overeem's rather wide guard protects pretty good.
Reem is like Manny Pacquiao, even if his hands are up his defense isn't the best.

Saying Overeem wouldn't be KO'ed if he kept his hands up is sort of like saying Pacquiao wasn't hit by this overhand right because his hands were up, he thus "blocked" it.

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Reem is like Manny Pacquiao, even if his hands are up his defense isn't the best.

Saying Overeem wouldn't be KO'ed if he kept his hands up is sort of like saying Pacquiao wasn't hit by this overhand right because his hands were up, he thus "blocked" it.

If you look closely, right before the overhand right gets through Pacquiao pulls his hand down 3-4 inches, thus he doesn't block the coming punch.

Did I say having his hands up would make Overeem invincible¿ No. I literally just said "it would help him a lot". Acting like it wouldn't make a difference whether he had his hands up or not is ridiculous.
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If you look closely, right before the overhand right gets through Pacquiao pulls his hand down 3-4 inches, thus he doesn't block the coming punch.

Did I say having his hands up would make Overeem invincible¿ No. I literally just said "it would help him a lot". Acting like it wouldn't make a difference whether he had his hands up or not is ridiculous.
In his career, Overeem was KO'ed twice as much as Stefan Struve.

Stefan Struve's hands were *up* against Mark Hunt. Did it make a big difference in the outcome?

Werdum's boxing wasn't much more than average when he fought Overeem. He still found plenty of holes in Overeem's defense.

For someone like Overeem whose defense mostly relies on keeping distance and movement, the second he tires and stands flat footed in front of someone like Bigfoot is pretty much the second he gets knocked out. Whether or not his hands are up doesn't really matter.
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Overeem's hands are *up* watch as he amazingly blocks the shot!

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