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post #21 of 40 (permalink) Old 04-10-2013, 01:28 PM
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Oh, fighters get KOed even though they had their hands up, so it makes no difference at all and coaches all over the world apparently just waste their time trying their fighters to keep the hands up... well yeah...

Fighters get taken down even though they train TDD, so it also makes no difference. Better skip that training then.

And fighers get submitted even though they train (counter)grappling. Obviously it makes no difference.

Better fighters go back to mindless brawling. At least they could use that wasted training time to chill at the pool.
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Originally Posted by Trix View Post
In his career, Overeem was KO'ed twice as much as Stefan Struve.

Stefan Struve's hands were *up* against Mark Hunt. Did it make a big difference in the outcome?

Werdum's boxing wasn't much more than average when he fought Overeem. He still found plenty of holes in Overeem's defense.

For someone like Overeem whose defense mostly relies on keeping distance and movement, the second he tires and stands flat footed in front of someone like Bigfoot is pretty much the second he gets knocked out. Whether or not his hands are up doesn't really matter.
Werdum didn't really land much of anything decent in that entire fight. His jab was terrible and did nothing and his rear hand strikes were inaccurate, had no power, and almost never landed clean. He didn't find the holes Overeem said to him "I'll let you throw straights only since you suck ass at doing that and can't hurt me with them." and that is what happened. Overeem took away the only punches crap boxers can get power on with his high guard and traded a bunch of nothing straights for strikes that did actual damage. It was a good strategy against that opponent it wouldn't have worked against Bigfoot who can throw a straight and a cross and isn't terrified of getting hit back.
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KO'ed with hands down.

KO'ed with hands up.

Not seeing a big difference.
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post #24 of 40 (permalink) Old 04-10-2013, 03:37 PM
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Great move for Overeem. I think getting back to what started his success (other than the massive muscle gain) was the focus on striking. Dropping his hands in the Bigfoot was just ridiculous and showed a lack of discipline that Overeem has demonstrated in K-1.

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Overeem and Hari in the same gym?
First thing I thought. They have knocked each other out before...will it happen again? Badr is notoriously short tempered, and that is putting it lightly.

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KO'ed with hands up.

Not seeing a big difference.
Other than the 10 years between the fights, right? No one gets better in 10 years.

It is pretty ridiculous that you are trying to argue following a fundamental technique (keeping your hands up) would not have helped Overeem. Maybe he would have blocked the shot, maybe not, but his hands were down way, way too much over the course of the entire fight, and that gave Bigfoot a lot more chances.

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This isn't boxing. You can't just "have your hands up." I hate hate hate when kickboxing instructors at MMA gyms constantly demand that.

This is MMA. Hands down makes it easier to not get taken down instantly, Overeem used it well against Lesnar. But, in typical Overeem fashion, he underestimated Bigfoot or overestimated himself and got knocked out as a result.

Reem doesn't need to train exclusively with kickboxers. It won't make his recovery and heart any better. He needs a sports psychologist and a real MMA gym.


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There's fighting with your hands down. And then there's fighting with your hands down and leading with your chin, which Overeem did to an absurd degree. He won't do the same working with elite level strikers who will lay him out every time he tries to pull some dodgy, arrogant BS. Whereas the Blackzillians probably foster an egotistical atmosphere.

It's a good move for Overeem. People can act like he's some scrub, but he has multiple MMA wins and was on his way to beating Silva until arrogance cost him. Overeem cost himself that fight, and it's plain as day to anyone who doesn't have a hate-on for the man. I'm not even a big fan of Overeem. But a lack of skill didn't lose him the fight. His ego did.
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post #27 of 40 (permalink) Old 04-13-2013, 03:37 AM
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Alistair Overeem Joins Mike’s Gym in Holland

Can't believe this isn't being discussed here:

Just confirmed UFC fighter Alistair Overeem joins the famous Mike’s gym in Holland to prepare his next fight. No lack of sparring partners, as there heavyweights like Gokhan Saki, Badr Hari, Melvin Manhoef and Ismael Londt around.

Badr and Alistair are going to KILL each other at the gym. I'm really excited to his Alistair after this camp and how he will look.

I guess the Blackzillians was a nice dream to be had. Too bad it didn't end up working out. I'm guessing the entire team will be dismantled by the end of the year.

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Yeah, it's being discussed here.

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post #30 of 40 (permalink) Old 04-13-2013, 04:23 AM
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Sorry didn't see the thread.

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