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post #31 of 40 (permalink) Old 04-13-2013, 06:26 AM
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Wow... so everybody really is leaving the Blackzilians. I've never seen such a fail of a gym before.
He's training there only because he is visiting his daughter.

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Incredibly over-hyped fighter that only got anywhere by juicing it up because he was never good enough to begin with, can't wait until he gets KTFO again.
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Incredibly over-hyped fighter that only got anywhere by juicing it up because he was never good enough to begin with, can't wait until he gets KTFO again.
That's just wrong.

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That's just wrong.
Not really, he got beat up on the regular at LHW. Then he juiced it up to move from a weight class he was horrible at and beat up a few run of the mill HW's and fighters who were past their prime, people claimed he was the best in the world without him ever fighting the best in the world. Now that he's off the juice because he got caught cheating he lost to Bigfoot who is an average fighter at best.

He'll very likely lose against the next decent HW he fights in the UFC in my opinion. There's nothing uber about him, it was all hype.
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Not really, he got beat up on the regular at LHW. Then he juiced it up to move from a weight class he was horrible at and beat up a few run of the mill HW's and fighters who were past their prime, people claimed he was the best in the world without him ever fighting the best in the world. Now that he's off the juice because he got caught cheating he lost to Bigfoot who is an average fighter at best.

He'll very likely lose against the next decent HW he fights in the UFC in my opinion. There's nothing uber about him, it was all hype.
I actually pretty much agree with this. I was always skeptical on Overeem's true standing in the HW division. And really other than Werdum, in a terrible fight where nothing much happened....he hasn't beat a single good HW ever.

He doesn't totally suck or anything. He has skills, although exaggerated a bit. But the fact that people called him the best HW in the world after he beat up on Brett Rogers was laughable.
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Now that he's off the juice because he got caught cheating he lost to Bigfoot who is an average fighter at best.
Overeem probably was overrated and obviously not the best HW in the world, but he didn't lose to Silva, because he was off the juice. He was tooling Silva until his ubercockyness let him to get caught.
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Overeem probably was overrated and obviously not the best HW in the world, but he didn't lose to Silva, because he was off the juice. He was tooling Silva until his ubercockyness let him to get caught.
Reem lost to Bigfoot because he isn't a good fighter. Saying he lost the fight because he was cocky is nothing but an excuse to hide his real weaknesses. Reem gassed out, wasn't strong enough to finish an average fighter and then was KTFO by that same average fighter.

Easily would have lost to Lesnar as well if Lesnar wasn't a beat up old man at the time of their fight. No question.
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Reem lost to Bigfoot because he isn't a good fighter. Saying he lost the fight because he was cocky is nothing but an excuse to hide his real weaknesses. Reem gassed out, wasn't strong enough to finish an average fighter and then was KTFO by that same average fighter.

Easily would have lost to Lesnar as well if Lesnar wasn't a beat up old man at the time of their fight. No question.
Yeah, talking about excuses
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Yeah, talking about excuses
Lesnar was out of prime and was also coming off a major surgery which nearly ended his career going into that fight, basically a shadow of his former self. I'd say that's pretty easy pickings for a younger juiced up Reem.

Brock finally got the message that his health would keep him from fighting at his best and promptly retired after that fight coincidentally.

A prime and healthy Lesnar would smash Reem (even juiced up) all day long.


Excuses? Come again.
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You can't deny Overeem's stand up, clinch, ground skills. I just question his heart and training. I think he IS one of the best HW's in the world if his mind is right. I think he thought that he was going to go in there and bully Bigfoot around, or, that Bigfoot was going to play it safe and he would just land a good strike and TKo him. Bigfoot brought it to him though. Hopefully Overeem learned a valuable lesson. Never underestimate any real fighter in the UFC.

If he is training with Badr Hari, maybe Hari can show him a thing or two about dedication. That's pretty crazy though, arguably the two best strikers in the world training together. That's like Velasquez and Cormier wrestling around together. If I was a fighter and I had the money, I'd train with those guys in a heartbeat.
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