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post #11 of 81 (permalink) Old 04-15-2013, 03:31 PM
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I was just thinking... Jon Jones was on his way to easily beating Matt Hamill and he got disqualified for delivering a "12 to 6" (straight down) elbow. So Browne should be DQ'd as well.
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The elbows became illegal because Gonzaga turned his head into them.

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I have no idea how you came up with that. There were a total of 6 elbows. 1-2 and 5-6 were very clearly placed on their respective ear. The only two elbows you could even question were 3-4, but it's really hard to place elbows like that when a dude is slumping over.
I could honestly care less. They just looked illegal from where I was sitting, I guess you thought other otherwise.. It happens

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The elbows became illegal because Gonzaga turned his head into them.
That's what you're suppose to do, so your opponent can no longer damage you. You see it all the time with wrestlers mid take down. Travis just got carried away in the moment.

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That's what you're suppose to do, so your opponent can no longer damage you. You see it all the time with wrestlers mid take down. Travis just got carried away in the moment.
You can see he clipped him with elbow 4 as he was turning his head but as soon as he did... he re-adjusted and placed elbows 5-6 on the opposite ear.

I think he should just take this on the chin (or the back of the head)and ask Dana for a rematch. I think this fight has pulled enough attention that Dana/Joe would be interested in setting up the rematch.
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In the first 3 elbows you can see Gonzagas head moving towards Browne's thigh, indicating they are being placed on the outside of the head.

If he was elbowing him vertically in the back of the head, his head would be going straight down; not in.

Elbow 4 was pretty much straight in the back of the head, but he immediately corrected it after that.

Fighters are constantly warned about punches to the back of the head, yet everyone wants to DQ someone for one illegal elbow.
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Just realized we've been looking at the wrong qualifying DQ move.


Yes probably the last one or two elbows were illegal because they were to the defined back of the head area.


But almost all of them were illegal 12-6 elbows as defined by the commission, 12 at ceiling and 6 at floor.

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what are we talking about here? 12-6 or back of the head?

IMO 12-6 from that position should NOT be illegal, it is a good tool against wrestlers..

1 or 2 of those blows was to the back of the head, but they were accidental, he adjusted his shots accordingly even in the heat of the moment trying to follow the rules so i don't think a DQ is necessary here..

Head-butting fists and KOing the air is not effective striking.
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what are we talking about here? 12-6 or back of the head?

IMO 12-6 from that position should NOT be illegal, it is a good tool against wrestlers..

1 or 2 of those blows was to the back of the head, but they were accidental, he adjusted his shots accordingly even in the heat of the moment trying to follow the rules so i don't think a DQ is necessary here..
Doesn't matter what we agree on or what shouldn't be. 12-6 elbows are from ceiling to floor, the majority of these are exactly that. At least one or two is to an illegal spot as well.

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