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Old 04-17-2013, 05:27 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Maybe fighters also should stop hiding behind illegal areas of their body. Those illegal zones were introduced for fighters' safety, not for tactical use. Positioning yourself in a way that is leaving only those illegal zones available for the opponent to attack is a loophole in the rules that should be considered as cowardice like running away from the fight. Same with fighters touching the ground with their finger tip to become a "downed opponent".
I see your point, but I still disagree.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:03 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Maybe fighters also should stop hiding behind illegal areas of their body. Those illegal zones were introduced for fighters' safety, not for tactical use. Positioning yourself in a way that is leaving only those illegal zones available for the opponent to attack is a loophole in the rules that should be considered as cowardice like running away from the fight. Same with fighters touching the ground with their finger tip to become a "downed opponent".
This. Two of the fights on that card were "controversial" only because the "victim" was either abusing the rules, or was rendered unconscious and fell into an elbow. At worst, Gonzaga could criticize the ref for letting him take an elbow while clearly out. Travis Browne can't be held responsible for the directions Gonzaga turns his head. If I decide to fight you by spinning 180 degrees every time you throw punches, you can hardly be DQ'd for illegal shots.
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Maybe fighters also should stop hiding behind illegal areas of their body. Those illegal zones were introduced for fighters' safety, not for tactical use. Positioning yourself in a way that is leaving only those illegal zones available for the opponent to attack is a loophole in the rules that should be considered as cowardice like running away from the fight. Same with fighters touching the ground with their finger tip to become a "downed opponent".
This is a good point and this is maybe what went through gonzaga's mind at that moment.

And i have no problem with your point, what i have problem with is the way Travis (and his buddy acomplice the referee) decided to finish Napao. If you ask me ..that is truly a cowardice.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:09 PM   #54 (permalink)
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This is a good point and this is maybe what went through gonzaga's mind at that moment.

And i have no problem with your point, what i have problem with is the way Travis (and his buddy acomplice the referee) decided to finish Napao. If you ask me ..that is truly a cowardice.
How the hell is that cowardice? Elbows are a legitimate move, and are devastating at that, I wish more people who win fights by pushing against the cage for 15 minutes got elbowed in the side of the head.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:11 PM   #55 (permalink)
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This. Two of the fights on that card were "controversial" only because the "victim" was either abusing the rules, or was rendered unconscious and fell into an elbow. At worst, Gonzaga could criticize the ref for letting him take an elbow while clearly out. Travis Browne can't be held responsible for the directions Gonzaga turns his head. If I decide to fight you by spinning 180 degrees every time you throw punches, you can hardly be DQ'd for illegal shots.
No this is simply NOT true. There is a big difference between an accidental and intentional punch.

I don't care if your instinct tells you "Finish him to the back of head" or if you need the big lump of money Fertida casino experts will pay you, you HAVE to respect the rules if you HAVE a choice.

By the position of Gonzaga's head i can assure you that was NOT an accidental shot 10000%.

So this needs to be sanctioned, end of story.
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How the hell is that cowardice? Elbows are a legitimate move, and are devastating at that, I wish more people who win fights by pushing against the cage for 15 minutes got elbowed in the side of the head.
NOOO!
Not if they are to the back of head. Or...according to the Wikipedia....

"12-6 Elbow

A "12-6 elbow" is a strike that is brought from a high position ("12 o'clock") and travels vertically toward the floor ("6 o'clock"), dropping the point of the elbow directly on the target. This type of elbow is illegal in many MMA organizations, including the UFC and Strikeforce.[4] UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Jon Jones received the only loss of his career after being disqualified due to using a 12-6 elbow."

Those are not One but Two major fauls in multiple times!
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You're acting like the elbow was intentional, there's no way Browne could have known that in that split second, Gonzaga's head was going to turn the 25 degrees necessary to make the elbow illegal.
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NOOO!
Not if they are to the back of head. Or...according to the Wikipedia....

"12-6 Elbow

A "12-6 elbow" is a strike that is brought from a high position ("12 o'clock") and travels vertically toward the floor ("6 o'clock"), dropping the point of the elbow directly on the target. This type of elbow is illegal in many MMA organizations, including the UFC and Strikeforce.[4] UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Jon Jones received the only loss of his career after being disqualified due to using a 12-6 elbow."

Those are not One but Two major fauls in multiple times!
Browne didn't throw any 12-6 elbows, at worst they were about 10-4, which by the strict terms used in the rules, are NOT illegal.
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You're acting like the elbow was intentional, there's no way Browne could have known that in that split second, Gonzaga's head was going to turn the 25 degrees necessary to make the elbow illegal.
First of all 12/6 elbows are ilegal , there are so many wrong things and referee mistakes it's ridicolous, here i m done with this case.
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First of all 12/6 elbows are ilegal , there are so many wrong things and referee mistakes it's ridicolous, here i m done with this case.
He didn't throw any 12-6 elbows.
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