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Old 04-17-2013, 05:34 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Browne didn't throw any 12-6 elbows, at worst they were about 10-4, which by the strict terms used in the rules, are NOT illegal.
Look it's not important if it's 10-4 or 11-5 or if i have a date with my girlfriend at 11:30 ok? What is meant by that rule is that elbow can not be vertical and downvard, very simple. It doesnt matter if its exact minute of the elbow or if it passes certain limit of minuts or seconds or microseconds... jesus christ, it's 12/6 elbow no doubt about that.
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Look it's not important if it's 10-4 or 11-5 or if i have a date with my girlfriend at 11:30 ok? What is meant by that rule is that elbow can not be vertical and downvard and not if its exact minute of the elbow or if it passes certain limit of minuts or seconds or microseconds... jesus christ, it's 12/6 elbow no doubt about that.
You can't just pick and choose which parts of the rules to enforce. The rules specify 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock, which would involve the forearm being vertical. At no point was Browne's forearm vertical, hell, it barely got past 45 degrees.
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You can't just pick and choose which parts of the rules to enforce. The rules specify 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock, which would involve the forearm being vertical. At no point was Browne's forearm vertical, hell, it barely got past 45 degrees.
Ok so according to your logic if there has to be exact degree match then this rule could theoretically never be applied.

Very smart rule. I wonder who invented it, maybe you?
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jesus christ, it's 12/6 elbow no doubt about that.
No, it weren't:



Look at the part where the camera angle is from above. You see that he isn't throwing the elbow vertically down, but in a circular motion.

According to that give, I only have the 4th elbow hitting really the back of the head (mohawk definition) and that was, because Gonzaga's head turns.
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No, it weren't:



Look at the part where the camera angle is from above. You see that he isn't throwing the elbow vertically down, but in a circular motion.

According to that give, I only have the 4th elbow hitting really the back of the head (mohawk definition) and that was, because Gonzaga's head turns.
Of course it is circular nobody can throw a perfectly geometrically straight up-down line elbow ! That is not the point of the rule.

It does not matter how you or me interpret the rule but what it means and how it is commanded by UFC and that is what we are talking about.
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Of course it is circular nobody can throw a perfectly geometrically straight up-down line elbow ! That is not the point of the rule.

It does not matter how you or me interpret the rule but how it is interpreted by UFC and that is what we are talking about.
The difference is that when you bring the elbow straight down, you hit the target with the point of your elbow, but if you bring it down in a circular motion you hit the target with the inside of your arm.
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The first few elbows thrown were fine, the last two were illegal. Not sure how you'd rule the fight but I don't know whether or not they were thrown intentionally or just an in the moment thing as he began to fall over.
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Ok so according to your logic if there has to be exact degree match then this rule could theoretically never be applied.

Very smart rule. I wonder who invented it, maybe you?
When Jones was disqualified it was because he landed a couple vertical elbows. The entire reason that 12-6 is specified is to narrow down the ruling, the same way "groin" is defined, and not just "below the belt" like in boxing.

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When Jones was disqualified it was because he landed a couple vertical elbows. The entire reason that 12-6 is specified is to narrow down the ruling, the same way "groin" is defined, and not just "below the belt" like in boxing.

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When Jones was disqualified it was because he landed a couple vertical elbows. The entire reason that 12-6 is specified is to narrow down the ruling, the same way "groin" is defined, and not just "below the belt" like in boxing.

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Ok if we consider power difference between a solid 11-4 and 12-6 ? There is hardly any.

If we consider the reason why 11-4 would be allowed and 12-6 not, they are both equally dangerous so no difference there either.

Also the 12-6 is a figure of speech, not a mathematical formula of elbow degree. It can never be fully straight. In other words elbow that got Jon Jones DQd was 12-5.5 so it was not ilegal?

If we understand the rule as it is on Wikipedia they never specify degrees there. It only says "elbow can not be vertical" and those elbows were indeed vertical.
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