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GSP Weigh in Controversy Continues

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A story that once seemed to have little legs continues to trot on.

The Georges St. Pierre weigh-in controversy from UFC 158 has survived for over a month now and continues to puzzle.

Official statements and complaints fall from the woodwork while suspicious videos are pulled down then pop-up again.

Zane Simon at Bloody Elbow gives a comprehensive, blow-by-blow rundown of the events that have created decimal-gate. We picked out some of the highlights which are featured below.

March 14, 2013 – Nick Diaz accuses GSP of taking steroids

If you want the real beginning of this whole thing, here it is. On March 14th Nick Diaz made an appearance on The Fan 590, a Sportsnet radio station, where he accused GSP of taking steroids, Canada of having incredibly lax testing standards, and the UFC of being willful participants. While these statements may not have been directly precipitous of the events as they unfolded they laid the groundwork for the appeals and complaints to come. Here’s Nick:

“I believe that he’s is on plenty of steroids, and I don’t think they test around here either. I doubt I’ll be tested as well. I don’t care what they say to the fans or the media, I don’t think we’ll be tested. And if so, he’s probably got a bottle of piss in his pocket.”

March 15, 2013 – UFC 158 weigh ins

While a few other words were exchanged, and statements made (including a demand for increased testing from GSP), the official weigh-ins were the next big moment of this saga. Both fighters appeared to make weight without issue, with Diaz officially recorded at 169 lbs (76.7 kilos) and GSP recorded at 170 lbs (77.1 kilos) on the dot.

March 16, 2013 – The fight and the post-fight presser

The fight itself was a pretty straight forward, cut-and-dried affair, with GSP controlling almost every aspect and winning an easy unanimous decision. But the post fight presser was all sorts of magical. Diaz arrived late, but quickly dominated the Q&A with ramblings about his retirement, desire for a rematch, and failure to pay taxes. Included in that was another seed of controversy over a pre-fight wraps check that resulted in both fighters hand wraps being confiscated for examination post-fight.

“They were, they were. You know. (Points at GSP) This guy has no punching power. I’m sorry, you’re a wrestler. (GSP laughs, Hendricks looks down). But you know, he don’t have punching power. Even, he has a full range to punch me from the back (while they’re on the ground), right? I got hit with an elbow too and that didn’t cut me, but something hit me right here (points between his eyes) and that just…I don’t know, Jake said he had something wrong with his wraps, maybe he had something wrong with his wraps, I dunno. I ain’t gonna accuse him of anything. I did get hit with one shot that didn’t feel like it was hard and it still opened a cut on my head. But, you know – I could talk shit all day. I could talk shit. (media laughs) I’m not finished, I’m not beat up. I fight, you know, the goddamned five round woke me up. And I’m ready to fight. So that’s just how I feel.”

March 25, 2013 – The decimal controversy surfaces

Here of course is where we get to the meat of the matter. After a fairly quiet week, Diaz getting pulled over notwithstanding, the MMA world was greeted with a video, which showed UFC exec. Mike Mersch informing Diaz “off the record,” in the hours leading to the weigh-in, that the Quebec athletic commission would be rounding down the weight of main event fighters to the nearest pound. Diaz seemed unconcerned by the news initially, but members of his entourage were quick to jump on the information, calling it the “Canadian Loophole.” Here is Mersch in his own words:

“Here, they’re going to allow you and Georges to have an extra hour,” Mersch says. “Just in case somebody doesn’t make it.”

“But the good news is, they don’t count the decimal. If you’re 170.2 it’s 170. If it’s 170.9. it’s 170.”

“It’s just something to keep in mind. That’s kind of an off the record type of thing. But keep that in mind. As long as he’s under 171, we should be good.”

March 26, 2013 – Nick Diaz moves to file formal complaint

Following the release of the video Nick Diaz’s camp announced that they would be filing an official complaint with the Quebec athletic commission, citing a lack of proper testing, and irregularities to the weigh-in system, ultimately demanding a rematch or that Georges be stripped of the title.

March 28, 2013 – UFC files DMCA claim

Rather than respond directly to the complaint filed by the Diaz camp, Zuffa attempted to skirt this issue by filing a copyright claim for the conversation between Diaz and Mersch under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Brent Brookhouse outlined the problems with such a claim, and why the UFC most likely already understood them.

The video was of a conversation, the UFC does not own a copyright on conversations that take place in the stadium seats. Nor does it own a copyright on anything actually shown in the video. The video doesn’t even show something like the Octagon which the UFC could try to make some sort of (wrong) claim that violated their copyright. It is strictly a conversation in the stadium seats.

Interestingly, Mersch’s job as Assistant General Counsel for the UFC has him as one of the biggest forces in the UFC’s very aggressive copyright regulation. This means that he is one of the main players in the UFC’s efforts to go after sites that illegally broadcast their shows and, in more questionable cases, after sites which use small amounts of video or gifs or screenshots that appear to fall under fair use.

Mersch’s job means that he’s more than well aware of the way that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) applies.

March 28, 2013 – Jonathan Tweedale releases texts from Mike Mersch to Nick Diaz

In an especially damning move Jonathan Tweedale, Nick Diaz’s legal adviser released texts from a conversation between himself and Mersch, from March 15th, immediately after the weigh-ins. In these texts Mersch effectively denied any memory of the “off-the-record” conversation between the two. He also made it clear that he believed that all parties involved had made weight and that there was nothing out of line with the way the commission handled the fighters.

JDT: “Hi Mike. Nick is curious about the .9 pound allowance at today’s weigh-in for his championship bout. He doesn’t want to be a nuisance about this, but he’s a bit confused. Can you shed any light?”

MM: “I don’t know what you’re talking about. All parties weighed in appropriately according [to] the Quebec Commission.”

Tweedale also released texts from Michel Hamelin director of the Quebec athletic commission.

JDT: “If you had a rule allowing 170.9 to be 170, you would have pointed me to it when I contacted you on March 15. It is 10 days later and you haven’t done so. It is clear that you have no rule for “ignoring the decimal”.”

MH: “Jonathan , if you need a official answer, send a official email , With your quetions, and you will received the answer to your question from de RACJ , Regards , M hamelin”

April 11, 2013 – GSP admits he came in overweight

Initially reported, corrected, followed up, and eventually re-reported, GSP told Marc Tougas of La Presse that he may have weighed in at around 170.4 lbs. It was mistakenly believed that this quote came from a video in which GSP stated that had he weighed in at 170.4 lbs it would have been rounded down to 170.

April 12, 2013 – The decimal video resurfaces

Nearly two weeks after the counter claim was filed, the taped conversation between Nick Diaz reappeared online. We can only assume that the counterclaim filed by the video’s owner was successful, which is good considering the shady nature of the conversation and the reasonable light it casts on Nick Diaz’s often paranoid statements of persecution.

April 14, 2013 – Marc Tougas releases the full transcript of his conversation with GSP

His transcript provided solid proof that St, Pierre did in fact make a concerted effort to come in slightly over the 170 lb limit in order to gain a mental advantage over his opponent. Here is the choicest of the interview quotes:

“I don’t remember if I was… I think it was point 4, or something like that. Because they round it out…. Huh, point 4, yeah, so that’s… You want to get there as heavy as you can to show you’re right on, on the scale. It’s a bit of a mental trick.”
http://www.bjpenn.com/gsp-weigh-in-c...in-depth-look/

The last bit certainly sounds like GSP is aware of the weight rounding. That doesn't necessarily incriminate him personally but the question again rises, why didn't Nick know? Is it the UFC's fault or his management?


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Diaz haters are just gonna say it doesn't matter because it would have gone the same way regardless. Because remember folks, one fighter breaking rules for an advantage isn't relevant if you like them more than their opponent.

I also personally think it would have gone the same way but it doesn't really matter- the commission's rules need to be clear, they need to be made apparent to each fighter, and they need to enforced equally in all cases. And if you think a half pound of water when you've already cut fifteen or twenty pounds doesn't matter... you've never cut weight before.

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Diaz haters are just gonna say it doesn't matter because it would have gone the same way regardless. Because remember folks, one fighter breaking rules for an advantage isn't relevant if you like them more than their opponent.

I also personally think it would have gone the same way but it doesn't really matter- the commission's rules need to be clear, they need to be made apparent to each fighter, and they need to enforced equally in all cases. And if you think a half pound of water when you've already cut fifteen or twenty pounds doesn't matter... you've never cut weight before.
Exactly how I feel. A a lot of people (mostly those who don't like Diaz) missed the point of this whole story completely.
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I'm not (and I'm sure plenty others aren't) even going to read the article. Diaz is such a ridiculously poor loser. Cesar Gracie is the worst too. I loved in the Nate Diaz prefight where he blamed Diaz' loss to Benson on... something rambling nonsense.


I bet when one of them loses they all just go back to the gym and circlejerk how they would have totally kicked their ass if blah blah blah.

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I don't like this "we don't count the decimal" crap, but it's a commission issue, not a fighter issue. Easiest solution? The commission puts out a statement.

"Yeah we ignore the decimal cause scales differ, but if everybody is gonna have a shitfit, fine. From now on, we count the decimal."

Maybe Diaz should try a few more power shots, and a bit less of the 'Stockton Slap'.
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I can't say that GSP broke the rules here. The issue is not that GSP new about this, in my words odd loophole, it really is an issue as to why Diaz did not know about this loophole?

In this instance I think it falls on either the UFC or Diaz management or potentially both. It may seem like an odd question to ask but any good manager that understands the business side of MMA should be asking the commission if there are any stipulations or rules that are unique to this sanctioned area. It's foolish and poor due diligence not to look for these types of situations.

On the UFC's part this is the third(?) card that they held in Quebec and no one sat down with a member of the QC sanctioning body and got a clear list of rules, stipulations and any other oddities. Not like UFC is light in the lawyer department. The UFC could then disseminate this information to all fighter management so situations like this can be avoided.

On the GSP side he started in QC so he would have known about this loophole and he used it. Can't fault the guy for using every advantage out there, but there is something sly in keeping this to himself, and yet what's he suppose to do. Call Diaz the day before and explain this esoteric rule.

In the end it falls on Diaz management and their lack of due diligence when it comes to the sanctioning body and the rules they have implemented. There is a real issue here, but not the way it is being pursued by this guy who is legally repping Diaz.

If anything Tweedale should be going after Gracie, or whoever is Diaz's official management for lack of due diligence and explaining all the rules to their client.
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I can't say that GSP broke the rules here. The issue is not that GSP new about this, in my words odd loophole, it really is an issue as to why Diaz did not know about this loophole?

In this instance I think it falls on either the UFC or Diaz management or potentially both. It may seem like an odd question to ask but any good manager that understands the business side of MMA should be asking the commission if there are any stipulations or rules that are unique to this sanctioned area. It's foolish and poor due diligence not to look for these types of situations.

On the UFC's part this is the third(?) card that they held in Quebec and no one sat down with a member of the QC sanctioning body and got a clear list of rules, stipulations and any other oddities. Not like UFC is light in the lawyer department. The UFC could then disseminate this information to all fighter management so situations like this can be avoided.

On the GSP side he started in QC so he would have known about this loophole and he used it. Can't fault the guy for using every advantage out there, but there is something sly in keeping this to himself, and yet what's he suppose to do. Call Diaz the day before and explain this esoteric rule.

In the end it falls on Diaz management and their lack of due diligence when it comes to the sanctioning body and the rules they have implemented. There is a real issue here, but not the way it is being pursued by this guy who is legally repping Diaz.

If anything Tweedale should be going after Gracie, or whoever is Diaz's official management for lack of due diligence and explaining all the rules to their client.
Totally agree, rep.


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