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Old 04-19-2013, 12:25 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Strikeforce has done very well since the merge...

It is a tad different than Lombard fighting straight cans for years in far inferior organizations. Him fighting Trevor Prangley and DC fighting Josh Barnett is 2 very different things.
Really?

I wouldn't say their ex-champs, Overeem, Diaz and Shields, have fared very well. None of them have a winning record. Bigfoot does, but that is about to go back to even soon. Cung Le has a winning record, and if he was in his prime he might have been a real force when he came over.

The guys that came over are good fighters but none of them are exceptional or are going to be champ IMO.

edit: I think DC might be the guy though.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:38 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Really?

I wouldn't say their ex-champs, Overeem, Diaz and Shields, have fared very well. None of them have a winning record. Bigfoot does, but that is about to go back to even soon. Cung Le has a winning record, and if he was in his prime he might have been a real force when he came over.

The guys that came over are good fighters but none of them are exceptional or are going to be champ IMO.

edit: I think DC might be the guy though.
Shields came over long ago.

Diaz beat the crap out of Penn and went toe to toe with Condit who is still a top 3 WW. How many people truly thought Diaz would beat GSP a top 3 P4P? Mir is not GSP.

Overeem has been iffy. Hendo has been solid. Many non champs have done well. Like Robbie Lawler and Woodley. Many are yet to fight like Jacre, Melendez, Rockhold, Feiajo...so it is hard to say yet.

But no one expected Diaz, Hendo, and other champs to come over and beat the UFC champs. Very few people picked Diaz. And more people picked Machida to beat Hendo, and Machid isn't even the champ.

Mir just doesn't match up well vs. DC. DC is also very composed, and won't easily sway from his gameplan and play Mir's game.
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Jackson's is the X-factor here, IMO, as are the effects of DC's first fight in the big show.

However, it's tough for me to actually pick Frank (although I did pick him in the betting thread; the odds were just too tempting).

I'm just gonna' say that Mir is the perfect gatekeeper to welcome DC to the UFC.









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Shields came over long ago.

Diaz beat the crap out of Penn and went toe to toe with Condit who is still a top 3 WW. How many people truly thought Diaz would beat GSP a top 3 P4P? Mir is not GSP.

Overeem has been iffy. Hendo has been solid. Many non champs have done well. Like Robbie Lawler and Woodley. Many are yet to fight like Jacre, Melendez, Rockhold, Feiajo...so it is hard to say yet.

But no one expected Diaz, Hendo, and other champs to come over and beat the UFC champs. Very few people picked Diaz. And more people picked Machida to beat Hendo, and Machid isn't even the champ.

Mir just doesn't match up well vs. DC. DC is also very composed, and won't easily sway from his gameplan and play Mir's game.
Not sure why when Shields came over has any bearing on the point that fighters from other orgs have not done as well in the UFC. I really think/hope DC will do well, but I am going to wait to see how his first fight goes before I jump on the bandwagon. I think Mir will be a good test. He handled Barnett easily and if he does the same to Mir then he is going to make a big impact in the UFC I think.
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Not sure why when Shields came over has any bearing on the point that fighters from other orgs have not done as well in the UFC. I really think/hope DC will do well, but I am going to wait to see how his first fight goes before I jump on the bandwagon. I think Mir will be a good test. He handled Barnett easily and if he does the same to Mir then he is going to make a big impact in the UFC I think.
Yea, I guess it has little bearing.

I just see Barnett and Bigfoot as at least just as good as Mir. I think both would beat him. So I see this fight vs. Mir as not much if any of a step up. He trashed 2 guys who are similarly ranked as Mir. Who probably matched up better stylistically than Mir does.
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It's Daniel's fight to lose imo.

I think Cormier is a deserving favorite. Closest comparable fighter to him today is the best HW in the world and his training partner/coach/student. Cook and Vasquez do a great job getting these big guys prepared to succeed.

It will be interesting to see if Mir's talk about him being in actual shape and having a modern fight camp will prove true. Mir at Jackson/Winklejon's trying to keep up with Jones and Browne should be beneficial for him, but I see Cormier getting a decisive win.

Mir is a danger to finish if he gets an opportunity but he has a matchup problem with Daniel in the boxing and rolling department. Cormier will be able to be where he wants to be for the most part on the mat. I see this going down a lot like Cormier vs Barnett who is arguably better or at least around the same level as Mir in striking and submission grappling.

I have a few bucks on R2 TKO by Cormier. Mir has outs, but I predict trouble for him and a shaky survival to see the 2nd round where he will not last long once in it.

I know it's easy to point to him breaking Big Nogs arm, but I can't shake the fact that he was getting lit up pretty bad just seconds before that. Dan isn't going to try anything cute with subs when he knock Mir over.
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Shields came over long ago.

Diaz beat the crap out of Penn and went toe to toe with Condit who is still a top 3 WW. How many people truly thought Diaz would beat GSP a top 3 P4P? Mir is not GSP.

Overeem has been iffy. Hendo has been solid. Many non champs have done well. Like Robbie Lawler and Woodley. Many are yet to fight like Jacre, Melendez, Rockhold, Feiajo...so it is hard to say yet.

But no one expected Diaz, Hendo, and other champs to come over and beat the UFC champs. Very few people picked Diaz. And more people picked Machida to beat Hendo, and Machid isn't even the champ.

Mir just doesn't match up well vs. DC. DC is also very composed, and won't easily sway from his gameplan and play Mir's game.
Some of the Strikeforce guys had pretty good showings this weekend. Melendez definitely belonged in there with Benson, it was really close. Diaz had nothing for Thompson and I thought Larkin won his fight. DC was totally dominate but not overly impressive. It showed that he is ready for the UFC though, IMO. He was probably playing it safe not wanting to break his hand again or get in a ground fight with Mir.

Looking forward to Jacre fighting in the UFC, and curious how Rockhold will fare.
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