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Old 04-19-2013, 09:00 AM   #31 (permalink)
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In that sense any Jon Jones fight is a freak show fight since his body is much larger and more gifted for MMA then any other fighter in that divison. Hell the guy made Rampage Jackson look small.

I dont know man i dont see the difference between it being his first or third fight at MW. It is just weight not different rules or something that he has to get used to. And his title shot imo is more then justified. Hell why not make the fight at 182 pounds then...

I dont get your comment about 1 guy having more to lose and that making it a freak show. When Anderson Silva fights he has ALOT more to lose then any of his opponents at this point. Not only does he have his title to lose but his win streak and his p4p best title and possibly sponsors, etc etc. And we dont consider those to be freak show fights.


Anyway man that is okay that you consider it a freak show. I just think the reasons given so far have been fairly weak and bias.
To be clear, Ive never once said I have any interest in Silva vs Bones, for exactly the same reasons. There's no bias to my argument. I simply want what's best for the sport I love.

And yes, if Silva has much more to lose then his opponent, then its not a super fight. Super fights are between two evenly matched opponent. Where both of them are the same weight and are on equally impressive runs. Silva fighting anybody at MW is not a super fight, for this very reason. If another MW was 10-0 beating top level competition ( like Hendrix ) then thats more like it. But right now, the UFC divisions are so shallow that super fights simply cant exist... so we end up making champs move up or down chasing so called super-fights.

I say feck "super fights" till the divisions are deep enough to properly justify the title.
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Old 04-19-2013, 09:04 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I have a question for the both of you. (Just my own curiosity)

If there were 2 rooms and one was playing the GSP vs Hendricks fight and the other was playing the GSP vs Anderson Silva fight. BUT you could only walk in to one room and never get to watch the other fight or know the result. Which room would you walk in to???

Again this isnt to continue the argument im just curious what your choice would be.
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GSP was sick in that fight so I imagine his cardio took a bit of a hit and even at that, Nick was dominated.

And yeah Silva passed with flying colors beating up easy competition. He beat James Irvin (wow), and then he got Bonnar and Forrest who's styles literally could not have matched up better for Silva. He hasn't gone up and beaten anyone remotely relevant in the lhw picture, but now he is supposed to beat JbJ? Silva only proved he can make e weight and beat up mid to low low tier fighters. I would bet anything GSP would wipe the floor with an equal level of competition from 185.
Let me remind you that bonnar went to decision and took a round off jones, the same bonnar but on a better run was toyed with and smashed in one swift move. And forrest was not far removed from losing his title so theres that too. I can't think of nay former mw champs gsp has beat or whatever. And I don't wann see bones vs silva either so there's no point of even bringing that up.
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I have a question for the both of you. (Just my own curiosity)

If there were 2 rooms and one was playing the GSP vs Hendricks fight and the other was playing the GSP vs Anderson Silva fight. BUT you could only walk in to one room and never get to watch the other fight or know the result. Which room would you walk in to???

Again this isnt to continue the argument im just curious what your choice would be.
Already said the hendricks fight, the silva fight has no bearing or importance on anything except the made up rankings of pound for pound which are stupid anyways.
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I have a question for the both of you. (Just my own curiosity)

If there were 2 rooms and one was playing the GSP vs Hendricks fight and the other was playing the GSP vs Anderson Silva fight. BUT you could only walk in to one room and never get to watch the other fight or know the result. Which room would you walk in to???

Again this isnt to continue the argument im just curious what your choice would be.
Not a good argument. If there was a third room with Mighty mouse fighting JDS, I would probably choose that over the other two. Does that mean the fight is more relevant? No. But it would be some seriously stupid fun.

Seriously stupid fun is not a good model for establishing proper rankings.
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Let me remind you that bonnar went to decision and took a round off jones, the same bonnar but on a better run was toyed with and smashed in one swift move. And forrest was not far removed from losing his title so theres that too. I can't think of nay former mw champs gsp has beat or whatever. And I don't wann see bones vs silva either so there's no point of even bringing that up.
Forrest even when champion was never overly impressive and once he was removed, he continued his downfall. He gets beat all of the time by good fighters. Bonnar was never anything over mid tier.

I'm losing sight of my argument though. I'm not trying to discredit Silva. I think he is the absolute best fighter in the history of the sport. But if we are talking super fights, the legacies of Silva and GSP blow away a mere champion vs champion which is all Silva/Jones would be.
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Forrest even when champion was never overly impressive and once he was removed, he continued his downfall. He gets beat all of the time by good fighters. Bonnar was never anything over mid tier.

I'm losing sight of my argument though. I'm not trying to discredit Silva. I think he is the absolute best fighter in the history of the sport. But if we are talking super fights, the legacies of Silva and GSP blow away a mere champion vs champion which is all Silva/Jones would be.
My main gripe as I already stated is that it makes one champion and division look silly, my main example is andre ward vs chad dawson in boxing, i can never take chad or the lhws seriously anymore after that.
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My main gripe as I already stated is that it makes one champion and division look silly, my main example is andre ward vs chad dawson in boxing, i can never take chad or the lhws seriously anymore after that.
That's a weird way to look at it. If one loses even if it is bad, that doesn't mean that champion is automatically a joke. It simply means one champion is better than the other. Not that the whole division is suddenly better than the other either. That is just absurd
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Not a good argument. If there was a third room with Mighty mouse fighting JDS, I would probably choose that over the other two. Does that mean the fight is more relevant? No. But it would be some seriously stupid fun.

Seriously stupid fun is not a good model for establishing proper rankings.
Well as i said the question had nothing to do with the argument. I was just asking out of my own curiosity...
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That's a weird way to look at it. If one loses even if it is bad, that doesn't mean that champion is automatically a joke. It simply means one champion is better than the other. Not that the whole division is suddenly better than the other either. That is just absurd
Think about how you are gonna promote a fight with a champion that lost his last fight, already I would have lost half my audience, now picture he got dominated or ko'd and now i have barely anyone left, if BJ Penn hadn't already fought at ww and with gsp in a close fight that would have ruined the lw divs credibility and marketability horribly.
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