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post #61 of 341 (permalink) Old 04-25-2013, 04:31 PM
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I think the biggest problem other fighters have faced; Shogun, Rampage, Evans, Bader is that they concede to striking with him at range which is why they got picked apart. Chael's biggest advantage is going to be not getting hit by rangy shots because he almost never fights at range, that's not his style. Jones breaks down guys by pushing them back and peppering them with jabs, kicks and fancy moves and then once they are near done he closes the gap and demolishes people with elbows and knees.

It will be a lot harder for Jones to do that if he's getting pushed backwards and he can't get Sonnen's back to the cage, in some ways Sonnen has much better of a chance than any other guy he's faced (except for Evans who fought like a dumbass). A guy like Rampage stood nearly 0% chance against Jones because Jones' range is perfect for plodding power punchers or guys like Machida that like to stay on the perimeter, it's the perimeter fighting that lets Jones methodically dismantle fighters physically. When he's standing there kicking Belfort in the knee caps and Belfort doesn't do anything it's no wonder he wins all his fights. Don't stand in front of Jones, don't do it for 1 second would be my advice to every fighter. If you're standing there the fights already over. Speed, agility, strength, toughness all mean nothing with the wrong gameplan. If Hendo ever fought Jones that would be the most one sided title fight since Mir vs. JDS.
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I think the biggest problem other fighters have faced; Shogun, Rampage, Evans, Bader is that they concede to striking with him at range which is why they got picked apart. Chael's biggest advantage is going to be not getting hit by rangy shots because he almost never fights at range, that's not his style. Jones breaks down guys by pushing them back and peppering them with jabs, kicks and fancy moves and then once they are near done he closes the gap and demolishes people with elbows and knees.

It will be a lot harder for Jones to do that if he's getting pushed backwards and he can't get Sonnen's back to the cage, in some ways Sonnen has much better of a chance than any other guy he's faced (except for Evans who fought like a dumbass). A guy like Rampage stood nearly 0% chance against Jones because Jones' range is perfect for plodding power punchers or guys like Machida that like to stay on the perimeter, it's the perimeter fighting that lets Jones methodically dismantle fighters physically. When he's standing there kicking Belfort in the knee caps and Belfort doesn't do anything it's no wonder he wins all his fights. Don't stand in front of Jones, don't do it for 1 second would be my advice to every fighter. If you're standing there the fights already over. Speed, agility, strength, toughness all mean nothing with the wrong gameplan. If Hendo ever fought Jones that would be the most one sided title fight since Mir vs. JDS.
While I agree many guys seem to just play his game and that isn't a good idea at all.

But I don't agree that Chael almost has a better shot. His come forward style will just get him stopped quicker. Sure Chael potentially could take Jon down. But I doubt it. If he had some trouble with Bisping then....His come forward style is going to land him right into an a choke. If he clinches he is going to get bombarded with elbows/knees.
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But Chael can submit Jones because he...submitted Stann? Lol ok.

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You obviously didn't see chael slice through anddersons guard into mount easily in the 2nd fight, him training with vinny has got him 100x better on the ground.


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I recall the part where Sonnen failed to live up to the self fueled hype, again. I'm predicting imminent déjà vu for Saturday night.
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You obviously didn't see chael slice through anddersons guard into mount easily in the 2nd fight, him training with vinny has got him 100x better on the ground.
Uh it took 4 mins on the ground for Sonnen to finally pass through Anderson's guard while Anderson was waiting for a standup which shouldve came early but never came. I dont think it was easy to slice through a guys guard when you were held onto a stalemate for 3.5 mins. Sonnen could only move his arms to slap Silva's ears. And even still he did nothing with full mount.
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Chael will be eye poked on at least half of his take down attempts.
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Seriosuly tho...if Jones can take Sonnen down he wins by devestating elbows to the face. If Chael takes Jones down, Jones is going to triangle or armbar him. I think it's a stalemate in wrestling and Jones just ends up either outstriking Sonnen for the TKO or maybe getting a standing guillotine. In other words pretty Jones by whatever he wants depending on where the fight ends up.

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Uh it took 4 mins on the ground for Sonnen to finally pass through Anderson's guard while Anderson was waiting for a standup which shouldve came early but never came. I dont think it was easy to slice through a guys guard when you were held onto a stalemate for 3.5 mins. Sonnen could only move his arms to slap Silva's ears. And even still he did nothing with full mount.
Yes you're right because passing through a blackbelts guard to full mount is something anyone can do, lol why try and give logic and reason to a chael hater they have no bounds, i'm sure jon is as good as anderson off his back.


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While I agree many guys seem to just play his game and that isn't a good idea at all.

But I don't agree that Chael almost has a better shot. His come forward style will just get him stopped quicker. Sure Chael potentially could take Jon down. But I doubt it. If he had some trouble with Bisping then....His come forward style is going to land him right into an a choke. If he clinches he is going to get bombarded with elbows/knees.
I agree about the choke being something he needs to fear, but it's not like circling and countering from the perimeter helped Machida. Who else besides Evans legitimately stood a chance? I'd say nobody, his marching forward style will make him vulnerable to certain attacks but strategically it's what you have to do to beat Jones. There's no other way to beat the guy than getting close and pushing him backwards/keeping him off balance. I think 2 things can happen in this fight;

1. Chael actually can physically push Jones around and maybe gets a takedown or two. Jones is trying to keep him at distance while trying to hit him with long jabs and straight kicks. Chael doesn't do any damage, Jones catches him a few times then ends around the third

2. Chael can't do anything, he can't move Jones off his centre of balance and Jones throws him aside like a child and beats him like Anderson beat down Chris Leben.

I think it will atleast be entertaining either way
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I think the biggest problem other fighters have faced; Shogun, Rampage, Evans, Bader is that they concede to striking with him at range which is why they got picked apart. Chael's biggest advantage is going to be not getting hit by rangy shots because he almost never fights at range, that's not his style. Jones breaks down guys by pushing them back and peppering them with jabs, kicks and fancy moves and then once they are near done he closes the gap and demolishes people with elbows and knees.

It will be a lot harder for Jones to do that if he's getting pushed backwards and he can't get Sonnen's back to the cage, in some ways Sonnen has much better of a chance than any other guy he's faced (except for Evans who fought like a dumbass). A guy like Rampage stood nearly 0% chance against Jones because Jones' range is perfect for plodding power punchers or guys like Machida that like to stay on the perimeter, it's the perimeter fighting that lets Jones methodically dismantle fighters physically. When he's standing there kicking Belfort in the knee caps and Belfort doesn't do anything it's no wonder he wins all his fights. Don't stand in front of Jones, don't do it for 1 second would be my advice to every fighter. If you're standing there the fights already over. Speed, agility, strength, toughness all mean nothing with the wrong gameplan. If Hendo ever fought Jones that would be the most one sided title fight since Mir vs. JDS.
I think the fight against Rashad proved that if you start to get close to inside Jones will start throwing elbows that apparently hurt. I give Jones's coaches tons of credit, they knew sooner or later someone would get inside and have prepared him with those weapons. I'm sorry, but I don't know what you have to do to beat JBJ standing, but Sonnen isn't going to be the one to do it.

(I reserve the right to delete this should Sonnen actually outstrike Jones.)
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